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Old September 14th, 2010, 01:50 AM   #1741
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[QUOTE=ionut;63627393][/CODE]1. doesn't count, even if it's cheaper, the south motorway will have a bigger impact. [CODE]

Can you prove it with data or this or it's just your opinion?


And if you need to go to the sea/Constanta, you actually prefer Bucharest, not Pitesti! Ford will not use Craiova-Pitesti if Craiova-Severin-Lugoj is completed!Ford depends of slatina aluminium industry and at least of several suppliers located near pitesti as well. They are triying to attract most of suppliers near Craiova but is hard to do it with all.


5. and with Craiova-Alexandria-Bucuresti the Corridors won't be connected?! It's actually much more important to link the south corridor via Bucharest because you will need the shortest road to Constanta. Of course in a perfec world we need both Craiova-Slatina-Pitesti and Craiova-Alexandria-Bucuresti... but for me it's much more important the second option. Much much more.Y're right, we actually need both
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Old September 14th, 2010, 02:30 AM   #1742
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It would be even better if they build AX Pitești-Slatina-Craiova AND AY București-Alexandria-Slatina liked to AX, but we shouldn't bother anyway, there's loads of time for the plans to change about a dozen times by the time construction work starts on a south motorway.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 10:55 AM   #1743
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Do you have any statistic to prove that the route Rosiori- Alexandria- Bucharest is more crowded then Craiova- Slatina - Pitesti?
It's not more crowded now, probably about the same - more trucks in the north, more cars in the south. But a lot of the Craiova - Pitesti traffic is probably transit traffic to Bucharest. This will move on the motorway, regardless of where it is built. Alexandria - Bucharest has local traffic only, no transit at the moment.

There was an interesting post with AADT data on all the roads coming into Bucharest, on Romanian Roads

LE: some data from the big table:
On the north side: DN65 Craiova - Pitesti, near Pitesti, 2 lanes - AADT 16656 , A1 near Pitesti, 4 lanes, 23570, A1 near Bucharest, 4 lanes, 44572
On the south side: DN6: near Alexandria, 2 lanes, 8176, near the Bucharest suburbia, 2 lanes, 20735, entering Bucharest, 4 lanes, 31168.

It's interesting to see the traffic on other important roads: DN1 near Bucharest, 6 lanes, 74581 ; near Ploiesti, 4 lanes, 38113; near Sinaia, 2 lanes, 24129.
The north part of the Bucharest Ring Road had 38856 on 2 lanes! While A2 , a 4 lane motorway, had only 10932 .

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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:18 PM   #1744
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[QUOTE=nitz;63674781]It's not more crowded now, probably about the same - more trucks in the north, more cars in the south. But a lot of the Craiova - Pitesti traffic is probably transit traffic to Bucharest. This will move on the motorway, regardless of where it is built. Alexandria - Bucharest has local traffic only, no transit at the moment.

Totally agree. I think we need both craiova- rosiori- alexandria- bucharest and craiova - slatina- pitesti (this one could be build like a new express road only)
Just i'm not just sure which one is more required right now..

Regarding the figures mentioned there are really interesting.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:33 PM   #1745
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You will need both motorways eventually. Even all those current proposals are nothing more than a very basic (and much needed) motorway network.

What you need is a masterplan, called the "5000 km plan" or something like we had in the Netherlands in the 1950's and 1960's. I do think turning E-corridors to motorways first, but I think you need to look further than that (like Poland is doing), even though it's clear there won't be any funding for it in the next 10 years.

The western European motorway networks weren't build in 10 or 20 years either, but they often did have sophisticated long-term planning.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #1746
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This is actually a very telling map:



Not that the traffic in between Craiova and Bucharest would not increase dramatically if a direct motorway would be built.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 08:05 PM   #1747
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Traffic forecasts tend to be underestimated. For example, traffic on A28 in Zwolle, Netherlands, exploded from 45.000 vpd in 1986 to 120.000 in 2010, just 24 years later, an increase nobody had foreseen, considering the motorway was not new at that time, it opened in 1970.

With Romania's turbulent developments in the years to come, it would be quite hard to make an accurate traffic model based on socio-economic development.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 11:10 PM   #1748
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OK, in addition to the map Le Clerk just posted above, I would like to show a map with what I think it would be the best plan for a Motorway Net in Romania. The red dots mark some important cities/towns on the main routes.



Main features different from actual planning:

1. No Tg.Mures-Fagaras section of A3.

2. Craiova-Slatina-Pitesti-Targoviste-PloiestiNord motorway. [No Craiova-Alexandria-Bucuresti motorway]

3. No Focsani-Albita-RM section of Corridor IX, but Focsani-Bacau-Roman-Tg.Frumos-Iasi-RM instead. [much more useful this way]

4. Galati-Braila metropolis linked with Corridor IX through a motorway to reach it at half distance between Focsani and Rm.Sarat.

5. Bridges over Danube at Galati South and Braila North and a local motorway to unite the two cities from Galati North to Braila South.

6. The motorway from Calafat northwards to reach Craiova-Tr.Severin motorway at half distance.

7. Buzau-Slobozia-A2 motorway, to ease the traffic from Moldova to Constanta and viceversa.

8. Brasov-Tg.Secuiesc-Onesti-A5 motorway, to link Northern Moldova with Southern Transylvania and Prahova Valley resorts.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #1749
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Most needed motorways in my opinion - in ths order:

1. pitesti - sibiu - deva - lugoj - timisoara - arad - nadlac
2. pitesti - craiova - calafat
3. craiova - lugoj
4. Transilvania motorway
5. tg. mures - bacau - iasi
6. bacau - suceava
7. fagaras - sibiu
8. ploiesti - buzau - focsani - bacau
9. buzau - galati
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Old September 14th, 2010, 11:49 PM   #1750
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What about the București - Giurgiu road? (No. 5?)

I strongly believe there should be a București - Istanbul motorway eventually.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #1751
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What about the București - Giurgiu road? (No. 5?)

I strongly believe there should be a București - Istanbul motorway eventually.

It's not a priority in my opinion. Bucuresti - giurgiu is an expressway mostly on 4 lanes that can take the traffic for at least 5 more years. Also transforming it into a motorway can be done easily enough now that Adunatii Copaceni bypass was built. It just needs to get rid of those stupid roundabouts, build proper exits and a couple of bypasses.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 09:00 AM   #1752
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What about the București - Giurgiu road? (No. 5?)

I strongly believe there should be a București - Istanbul motorway eventually.
You are right, Chris!

But for the moment being it would not be that wise to build the Bucuresti-Giurgiu motorway until the main motorway towards west is done (A1). Not to mention that this new stretch of 60km of motorway would require a brand new modern bridge over Danube and a proper motorway connection in Bulgaria... Which is pretty far away of being even planned...

As the song says it's a long way to the top if you wanna rock'n'roll!
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Old September 15th, 2010, 09:03 AM   #1753
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It's not a priority in my opinion. Bucuresti - giurgiu is an expressway mostly on 4 lanes that can take the traffic for at least 5 more years. Also transforming it into a motorway can be done easily enough now that Adunatii Copaceni bypass was built. It just needs to get rid of those stupid roundabouts, build proper exits and a couple of bypasses.
Oh, it's so NOT an expressway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it's a good highway, anyway...
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Old September 15th, 2010, 09:34 AM   #1754
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What about the București - Giurgiu road? (No. 5?)

I strongly believe there should be a București - Istanbul motorway eventually.
I think eventually is the key word. The priority now should be to connect the capital city to the major cities in Romania and the connection to Western Europe. And I think that's the case by and large at this moment.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 08:44 PM   #1755
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Old September 18th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #1756
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Old September 19th, 2010, 08:13 PM   #1757
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Transalpina - where is that road ?
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Old September 19th, 2010, 08:35 PM   #1758
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Transalpina - where is that road ?
This one - see google maps.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #1759
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Constanta motorway by-pass on asphalt laying stage on some sections:


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@alecu26 multumim pentru poze

pozele sunt facute undeva la km 4+000), se vede intr-o poza in departare nocturna de la scoala de fotbal Gagi si mai departe Mamaia.
S-a pus stratul de baza pe vreo 500 de metri in 2-3 zile.









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Old September 19th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #1760
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Transalpina - where is that road ?
See here more pictures from Transalpina.

@ Luci: than you for the pictures. When did you visit Transalpina? And how did you get all the way to the lake. I know the road is not yet completed there.
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