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Old September 21st, 2010, 10:49 PM   #1781
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Oh, I would love to see A3 completed till Braşov, not just Târgu Mureş, but I have to admit we simply don't have the money to do it. And the gvt. also shows signs that for now is only interested to complete Câmpia Turzii-Hungarian border.
You also have to mention that the former minister of transporation was recently (one month ago) replaced with another who has been involved in EU financing programs, which will shift even more the focus on the EU funded motorways. In fact, her goal is to speed up the EU funded sections of Corridor IV.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 10:53 PM   #1782
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Wouldn't it be cheaper and faster to cancel the contract with Bechtel, give them a few 100 million € compensation and re-tender the project according to EU regulation, and receive an 80% EU-funding?
Rumor is the compensations would be much, much higher, according to what Romanian media writes about the "Bechtel" contract.

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One other question. Why are several parts of A3 shown as built motorway-sections on Googlemaps?
Please read here, starting to post 1716.

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It would undeniably be a perfect addition to the abandoned or unfinished motorways thread! (Do we have such a thread?)
I truly hope our viaduct or any other part of A3 won't ever be in that thread.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 10:55 PM   #1783
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Wouldn't it be cheaper and faster to cancel the contract with Bechtel, give them a few 100 million € compensation and re-tender the project according to EU regulation, and receive an 80% EU-funding?
Would you acccept cancelling a 5 billion EUR contract by getting 100 million out of it (2%)?

On another line of thought, it'd probably take a lot more to organise the tender procedure and then works for the entire lenght after a presumable termination of the Bechtel contract. IMO this motorway will go slowly ahead with Bechtel. We will hopefully see more funds allocated to moroway construction in the coming years and so construction works will go ahead faster for TM as well.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 10:56 PM   #1784
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Please read here, starting to post 1716.
Oh, ok, I've missed that. Sorry.
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Wouldn't it be cheaper and faster to cancel the contract with Bechtel, give them a few 100 million € compensation and re-tender the project according to EU regulation, and receive an 80% EU-funding?
I don't think this can be done since A3 isn't part of any european corridor.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 11:04 PM   #1786
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So Romania is kind of stuck with Bechtel. Man that was a monumental mistake in 2004 to do it this way.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 11:11 PM   #1787
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So Romania is kind of stuck with Bechtel. Man that was a monumental mistake in 2004 to do it this way.
Now U just witnessed what we have seen uncountable times in the past... This is the socialist way...
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So Romania is kind of stuck with Bechtel. Man that was a monumental mistake in 2004 to do it this way.
Why do you have to remind us this thing? Tell this to those incompetent government officials that signed this contract.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 11:19 PM   #1789
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So Romania is kind of stuck with Bechtel. Man that was a monumental mistake in 2004 to do it this way.
It seems so. Tragic is that if we would have the money, the mistake could turn into an advantage for us, cause Bechtel is a good company and it already made a solid stretch of motorway so far between Cluj and Turda. Plus, between Bechtel and Romanian officials there are already ties, they know each other and it is easier to work with someone you know.
But we don't have the money...
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Old September 21st, 2010, 11:25 PM   #1790
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Bechtel doesn't seem to be very active in road-building in Europe though. I can't remember any other major road projects they're working on. They are usually domestic consortia, or something like Ferrovial, Strabag and what have you.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 04:35 AM   #1791
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Bechtel had some projects in Croatia back in 1998 - 2000. But don't know if major or not.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 09:19 AM   #1792
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It seems so. Tragic is that if we would have the money, the mistake could turn into an advantage for us, cause Bechtel is a good company and it already made a solid stretch of motorway so far between Cluj and Turda. Plus, between Bechtel and Romanian officials there are already ties, they know each other and it is easier to work with someone you know.
But we don't have the money...
Exactly! That's why I think it could turn bad if Romania tried to terminate the contract, from all points of view: duration of termination(it needs to go through court), costs of termination, then time for getting A3 funded by EU, then feasibility studies again, then re-tendering, etc etc. It'd take ages!

I think Bechtel will keep cutting deals with the Government for different sections each year. If they manage to build 40 km next year, which is feasible, I think it's a good outcome.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 09:36 AM   #1793
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not to mention creditability of Romanian government.

imagine you cancel the deal for non-business reasons. who would be willing to deal with you in future ?
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 08:26 PM   #1794
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Bechtel had some projects in Croatia back in 1998 - 2000. But don't know if major or not.
And they're in Albania now and making good progress, if I'm not mistaken.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 09:04 PM   #1795
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Pcitures from A2 (Medgidia-Constanta):


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Hei, asta DA VESTE BUNA!

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Pasaj peste autostradă pe DJ222 Km 170+791




Viaduct Km 188+028










Pod peste Canal Negru Voda la Km 191+810


Pod peste Canal Dunăre - Marea Neagră Km 193+650










Nice!
It's the section in red below:

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It is already noted on Google Earth as finished, as is the Constanţa bypass.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 10:13 PM   #1797
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I do not understand Google to allow just anyone to edit their maps.

Anyway some pictures from the recently opened Lugoj by-pass:

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Pasajul peste CF Lugoj-Ilia şi DN6:





Ieşirea în DN6 între Lugoj şi Coşteiu:


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Some old pictures for Cernavoda-Medgidia section of A2 (Colas unfortunately has not updated its website so far from March):

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Plus ca nu o sa credeti ca am gasit si ceea ce pare siteul oficial A2 CERNAVODA-MEDGIDIA (A2).

http://www.alsys.ro/A2/dezvoltare/en/index.php

Poze din pacate doar din feb si martie............

FEB 2010






MAR 2010
Here's the section in blue:

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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:56 PM   #1800
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New update from A4 - Constanta bypass. Enjoy

Elevatii pod km 0+152 chiar la intrare in Ovidiu (se si vede o benzinarie care urmeaza sa fie demolata)




Lucrari la podul 11+706 Autostrada peste CF 800 Bucuresti-Constanta








Elevatii pod km 11+184 peste DN3, la intrare in Constanta. Va fi un pod cu 6 benzi








Lucrari la poduri de la nod rutier km 5+700 (Poiana interchange)








Elevatii pod km 2+436 (infrastructura este gata, se monteaza cofrajele pentru suprastructura)




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