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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:58 PM   #1801
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Thanks LeClerk for the help!
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I am trying to keep this thread updated.

By the way, these pictures are from the overpass across the main entrance in Constanta, isn't it?
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Old September 24th, 2010, 03:09 PM   #1803
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By the way, these pictures are from the overpass across the main entrance in Constanta, isn't it?
Yes and no. Each set has a short description.
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Yes and no. Each set has a short description.
Sorry, I didn't read the line for the first set. It's the overpass at the south exit.
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Old September 24th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #1805
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Sorry, I didn't read the line for the first set. It's the overpass at the south exit.
The first two pics are from km 0 (Ovidiu overpass/interchange). That's in the NORTH, not south.
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Old September 24th, 2010, 03:18 PM   #1806
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The first two pics are from km 0 (Ovidiu overpass/interchange). That's in the NORTH, not south.
Damn! Right, north.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 05:55 PM   #1807
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I made a map of the currently contracted and U/C motorway sections - a bit over 300 km (in blue):

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Old September 25th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #1808
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And a map of the motorways to be delivered in the coming years by 2012 (a list that has a good degree of certainty so far):



orange: existing
magenta: to be opened this year (30 km)
red: to be delivered next year (55 km)
blue: to be opened in 2012 (170 km)

It's not certain what's going to happen with Transylvania Motorway and what will be worked on starting next year, so I left it out, though some km may come from that as well in the meanwhile.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 06:13 PM   #1809
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You forgot A4 Constanta bypass in the first map and I don't think you can say that Deva - Orastie motorway is u/c because right now they are solving the contestations, not to mention that I don't think that they can open it in 2012.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 06:23 PM   #1810
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You forgot A4 Constanta bypass in the first map
I fixed it. Thanks!

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and I don't think you can say that Deva - Orastie motorway is u/c because right now they are solving the contestations not to mention that I don't think that they can open it in 2012.
The contestations are not yet clear. That's just a speculation. As for completion deadline, Strabag made a public promise they will finish in 2012, according to the contractual deadline.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 06:49 PM   #1811
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No offence, but you keep talking like Suplacu-Borş is under construction for real. But it is not. It's only a 1,8 km viaduct and they are building it just because that area will be flooded to make place to an artificial lake.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 07:14 PM   #1812
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You should read the Works reports for section 3c (Suplacu de Barcau-Bors) on the TM website and you'll notice they have been doing the dirt digging for huge amounts and then refilling with structural material on a monthly basis for a year if not more.

Even the pictures from section 3c show there are works for dirt digging, levelling and structural material placement every month. Such pictures are not as spectacular as the 1.8 km viaduct in the same section and that's why we don't post them here, but they are being posted monthly on TM website:

Dirt works on 3c from September:





And there are such pictures from previous months as well.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #1813
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You should read the Works reports for section 3c (Suplacu de Barcau-Bors) on the TM website and you'll notice they have been doing the dirt digging for huge amounts and then refilling with structural material on a monthly basis for a year if not more.

Even the pictures from section 3c show there are works for dirt digging, levelling and structural material placement every month. Such pictures are not as spectacular as the 1.8 km viaduct in the same section and that's why we don't post them here, but they are being posted monthly on TM website:
I'm not that good at mathematics anymore , but:

- "35,404 m3 of mass and structural excavation and 45,532 m3 of mass and structural filling have been performed on Section 2b". They are not talking about the entire 2b, but about a section of only 10 km which is almost completed, so no need for large excavations.

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- "10,750 m3 of mass and structural excavation and 8,833 m3 of mass and structural filling have been performed on Section 3c", a section of 64 km.

Result:

Over 3 times more excavations on a section of 10 km almost completed than on a virgin section of 64 km.


Even more: for a motorway large of 25 m, if I calculate a medium depth of excavations of only 1 m (but they are digging deeper), then the 10,750 m3 means: 25 m large x 1 m deep x 430 m long.
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That's true, but we left from your statement that there's no real work on the rest of 3c, other than the viaduct, which is false. The difference in volumes between 2b and 3c comes from the fact that they are focusing now on completing the 10.5 km section to be opened this year, but the reality is that there have been works, some months more some less, for a year if not more on other sections of 3c than the viaduct.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #1815
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orange: existing
magenta: to be opened this year (30 km)
red: to be delivered next year (55 km)
blue: to be opened in 2012 (170 km)
2012 is election year. I wish we had parliamentary elections every 2 years, like in the US. At least it's great that the presidential and parliamentary elections aren't overlapping anymore!
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2012 is election year. I wish we had parliamentary elections every 2 years, like in the US. At least it's great that the presidential and parliamentary elections aren't overlapping anymore!
Well, I'd say it's both a god but also bad idea.

Anyway, the number of km to be delivered is not so much connected to elections, but to a
substantial growth of construction contracts for various motorway sections.
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Old September 27th, 2010, 06:47 PM   #1817
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2012 is election year. I wish we had parliamentary elections every 2 years, like in the US. At least it's great that the presidential and parliamentary elections aren't overlapping anymore!
I wish we hadn't made the mistake of decoupling them. Elections drain a lot of money from public funding (including motorway plan money).
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I wish we hadn't made the mistake of decoupling them. Elections drain a lot of money from public funding (including motorway plan money).
I see... I didn't really think about that.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 01:55 PM   #1819
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I see... I didn't really think about that.
That's what I also meant when I said it's a bad idea to have elections every 2 years. And elections don't drain only money but also resources and allocated time of administration. Which is not to meant we shouldn't have electison at all, but too many too often are actually a drag on development for the reasons mentioned before.

Anyway, this is off-topic.
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No offence, but you keep talking like Suplacu-Borş is under construction for real. But it is not. It's only a 1,8 km viaduct and they are building it just because that area will be flooded to make place to an artificial lake.
BTW: according to CNADNR, Suplacu-Borş (64 km) is at 37% completion rate.

This means they can complete it next year or 2012 at the latest (depending on money availability), taking the country-wide motorway delivery rate in 2011 up to 119 km or in 2012 up to 239 km.
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