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Old August 1st, 2007, 11:52 AM   #21
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250m would be awesome! Probably the most exciting tower in Melb after Rialto and Eureka...
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Old August 26th, 2007, 10:34 AM   #22
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Could a mod please change the title to read 229m and 52 fl?

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The calculation of building height does NOT include architectural features, building services, communications equipment or similar roof mounted structures, A permit is NOT required for these structures to exceed the maximum building height!

A permit can be issued to exceed ANY of the building heights in the comprehensive development plan


Building 1: 57.5m
Building 2: 66m
Building 3: 56m
Building 4: 229m
Building 5: 99m
RMIT Building: 81m













286,000sqm of floor area in total.
Building 4 (the tower) will have 88,705sqm.

Building 4 and the RMIT building will commence construction first in 2008 followed by building 5 and then buildings 2 and 1 and then building 3. Building 4 will take 4 years to complete and the other buildings 3 years.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 06:44 AM   #23
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Some news, height may be increased further:

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Telco plans giant HQ in Melbourne

Cameron Houston
November 23, 2007
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...321951517.html

TELSTRA will build Australia's largest office building in Melbourne, consolidating most of its 11,000 local employees under one, enormous roof.


The telecommunications giant has named at least three prominent developers to bid for the massive project, costing almost $1 billion.

The company's quest for 140,000 square metres of office space will be the biggest property deal in Australian history and is expected to a bonanza for the Victorian construction industry.

The Age is aware of four sites that are in contention for the headquarters.

Participants in the tendering have signed confidentiality contracts, but plans are believed to range from a multi-level campus-style development to an 80-storey building that could rival Eureka Tower as the city's tallest structure.

The building will eclipse the Rialto building and Sydney's Governor Phillip and Governor Macquarie Towers, which both have about 85,000 square metres of office space.

But Telstra's modest request of just 4.5 stars under the Australian Building Greenhouse Rating Scheme is likely to draw criticism from supporters of sustainable development. Most of Telstra's employees will have to depend on public transport, however, with the brief to developers requesting fewer than 1000 car parking spaces.

Grocon is one of the shortlisted bidders and, if successful, will build on the derelict Carlton and United Breweries site on Swanston Street, which it bought last year for $39 million. Grocon already has planning approval for a 120,000-square-metre building on that site and has approached several of Melbourne's most progressive architects, including Ashton Raggatt McDougall and Denton Corker Marshall.

Sydney-based developer Lend Lease is also in contention and has earmarked a large site at its Docklands precinct, Victoria Harbour, that will abut the ANZ Bank's new premises.

The riverfront land is more suited to a lower campus-style development or cluster of buildings and could be similar to ANZ's 80,000-square-metre headquarters that is under construction. Lend Lease is believed to have an internal design group working on the proposal, but plans to collaborate with local architects, according to a property industry source.

Salta Property Group is the final bidder and is believed to have acquired options on two substantial CBD sites — the former power station in Spencer Street, and the Schiavello showroom on Queensbridge Street opposite the Crown Casino complex. Salta has appointed leading Sydney architect Bates Smart.


The shortlisted developers will present preliminary plans to Telstra property director Vito Chiodo next week, with a decision expected early next year. Telstra hopes the new premises will be completed by 2011, when the lease on its Lonsdale Street headquarters expires.

A Telstra spokeswoman said the company was "always looking at opportunities in our property portfolio, but no decisions have been made". A new headquarters in Melbourne would follow a similar move in Brisbane.


An 80 storey office tower is a minimum of 320m high
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 09:00 AM   #24
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Nice and thin; it will look great.
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Bump.

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Replicating a 'Summing up' post on the Vic forum's CUB thread for those who don't go there:

From earlier posts by Archi, Culwulla,Curtain. Edward, melbournee12, and maybe some others I've missed.

The project site and building designations:






The DCM tower, building 4 at the corner of Victoria St and Bouverie, the first building to be constructed, starting later this year. Originally proposed at 51 levels office with roof height of 229m plus 50m light column as counterpoint to the Shrine Axis, giving it RL of 300m, same as Eureka.

Its now to be 66 levels, but we're unsure if it is now to be mixed use, and therefore at the same height, or if a height increase is in store. Archi thinks it might remain the same, but we're all still hoping for more...

Curtain added these height markers. The 140 or so levels of little window-like dots in this first and only real render are a bit misleading, but it's an exciting design.
The MCC requirement for this building demanded it have exceptional landmark architectural qualities.

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The ARM treble arch, Building 5, 21 levels on one side, rising to 25 levels on the other, it's in the project's extension of the Swanston Street axis facing The Shrine.





The side notes on this post by Edward off the ARM
website in part answers Gappa's question below on just how the CUB buildings reference and acknowledge The Shrine. The DCM tower, we expect, will also do this with its light column feature.







BUILDING 3, proposed at 10 levels on Swanston Street near the corner of Queensberry, but with the historic hotel on the corner to be retained. It's the Queensberry Hotel.

Architects Minifie Nixon on their website describe Building 3 as a 10-level, 1,000sq m building with two floorplates, retail on the lower levels and/or commercial and apartments on the upper levels. The internal elevation (below) makes this green building and those it joins to look more interesting.








BUILDING 2, proposed at 13 levels, it's the center building on Queensbury. Skybridges will link it to building 3, and maybe building one on the other side. It has a supermarket and carparking below ground.







BUILDING 1, corner of Queensberry and Bouverie Streets closest to Melbourne Uni, it was the mystery McBride Charles Ryan render posted by melbournee12 this week. Proposed at 11 levels.






THE RMIT Design Hub, think that's what it's to be called, is proposed at 20 levels reducing to 5, at the corner of Swanston and Victoria Streets. I think that's also scheduled for an early start. No render yet.

THE HERITAGE MALT STORE behind it on Swanston Street is to be retained. As are the old bluestone CUB offices on Bouverie Street, incorporated into the base of the DCM tower with columns creating a tall void above as I recall.

The site: an aerial posted by Culwulla








Finally, superimposed on the aerial here is a restrained but new impression of the complex at max 279m height by multi-talented local artist, P. La Bront.





That's it. Bronte.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 04:03 PM   #26
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Can a mod please change the title to MELBOURNE | Carlton Brewery Tower | 229m+ | 66 fl | App?

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Thursday, March 6, 2008


MINISTER APPROVES PLANNING PERMIT FOR CARLTON BREWERY


Planning Minister Justin Madden has approved Grocon’s plans for the redevelopment of the Carlton
Brewery site at the top end of Swanston Street.

Grocon bought the site from RMIT for $39 million in late 2006 and takes possession on March 31.

Grocon CEO Daniel Grollo welcomed the Government’s decision and said the company was now
looking forward to getting on with design and construction.

“We will be moving on to the site next month and work will be underway by the end of the year,”
he said.


The site will include a mix of commercial, residential and retail areas with about 30 per cent
devoted to public open space.

The civic spine leading up Swanston Street from the Shrine of Remembrance will be celebrated and
extended well into the site.

Coles has already committed to between 4000 and 6000 square metres of retail space in the
development.


Following an architectural ideas competition last year, five architectural firms were chosen to
design buildings –Ashton Raggatt McDougall, Denton Corker Marshall, Minifie Nixon, McBride
Charles Ryan and NH Architecture.

Their buildings will range in height from 66 stories at the Victoria St end down to 11 stories at the
Queensberry Street end.

Mr Grollo also announced an archaeological investigation will begin on site in May and will be
conducted in conjunction with Heritage Victoria.

“We want to look at the use of the site over time,” he said. “We know there was a brewery on site
from 1854 to 1989 but we’re unsure of what other uses the site has been subject to over the years.”

Mr Grollo also said Grocon had been in discussions with Fosters over ways of celebrating its
previous association with the site. “We’ll continue those discussions as we’re very keen to preserve
the history and heritage of Carlton Brewery,” he said.

RMIT University is also planning a Design Hub on the site at the corner of Swanston and Victoria
Streets, with architect Sean Godsell currently working on that project.


Media Contact: Jane Wilson on 0407 831456
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...402560580.html

CUB development gets green light

Cameron Houston
March 6, 2008



An artist's view of the plan.

A RADICAL $800 million scheme to transform the derelict Carlton and United Breweries site has been given the green light by Planning Minister Justin Madden, despite opposition from Melbourne City Council.

Developer Grocon will build more than 280,000 square metres of offices, shops, apartments, student accommodation and public space on the 1.6-hectare site in Carlton.

Five separate buildings will range in height from 66 storeys at Victoria Street to 11 storeys near Queensberry Street.

Grocon chief executive Daniel Grollo said the project would commemorate and extend Melbourne's traditional spine running from the former brewery to the Shrine of Remembrance.

The development will have a minimum five-star rating under the Australian Building Greenhouse Rating.

Construction is expected to begin this year.

But the scale and intensity of the plan has angered the council. Planning spokeswoman Catherine Ng said the height of the buildings — particularly towards the Melbourne University end of the site — was inappropriate and at odds with council planning provisions.

"The council is pleased to see the last bombsite being developed, but it is less than desirable that there is no public process to enable an independent review of this significant development," she said.

Mr Madden said the dilapidated site was of "genuine state significance" and due for renewal. He seized planning control of the development last July.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 05:12 AM   #27
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^Disregard that previous request. This keeps getting taller. Can a mod please change the title to MELBOURNE | Carlton Brewery Tower | 281m+ | 66 fl | App? The height is to roof but there's likely to be an architectural feature so it may end up over 300m and may need to be moved to the the Supertalls section.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 06:17 AM   #28
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Wow! This is Incredible! Melbourne should be very happy with this! Its amazing! Lets hope it keeps getting taller until we have to move this thread to the supertall section
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Old March 25th, 2008, 06:32 AM   #29
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This is damned exciting.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 07:03 AM   #30
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i hope they build up a bit more density around that northern part of the CBD to balance this developement, in it's current stage won't it look a bit remote from some angles? but other than that, I think it'll look pretty awesome!! any chance it will overtake the Eureka as the tallest in melbourne?
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Isn't this site a long-running saga ? I thought I remembered that, even in the run-up to the time I spent in Melbourne, in 1991, redev was being discussed even back then.
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The design seems dependent on quite a substantial spire/beacon, and to roof (as Archi has told us) will be 281 meters to roof. Only 15 meters more and it will overtake Eureka Tower as tallest building (to roof) in the Southern Hemisphere. So with the spire feature, it should easily push the 300 mark-- potentially eclipsing Q1's spire with a solid structure.


With the square at the base and arch on axis with Swanston/St. Kilda Rd/The Shrine --- the development will have a real La Defense charisma to it.
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Isn't this site a long-running saga ? I thought I remembered that, even in the run-up to the time I spent in Melbourne, in 1991, redev was being discussed even back then.
The Carlton United complex was closed in the late 1980's, and pretty much since 1989 the site has been a collection of ruins of abandoned historic buildings, some of which will be incorporated into this development.

You are probably thinking of RMIT University and their intention to take over the site.

This current proposal has been floating around since 2006.
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The Carlton United complex was closed in the late 1980's, and pretty much since 1989 the site has been a collection of ruins of abandoned historic buildings, some of which will be incorporated into this development.

You are probably thinking of RMIT University and their intention to take over the site.

This current proposal has been floating around since 2006.
Gotcha, thanks.
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Updated massing diagrams:

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--- the development will have a real La Defense charisma to it.
i was thinking the exact same thing.
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Beautiful

Slim, slick, great design. Hey Melbourne, I love it
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Old May 8th, 2008, 07:54 AM   #38
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Hello,

Obviously I am a little late coming to this thread..

but hey this is great work guys! It's excellent how into this site you all are, and well yeah so you should be..this site has always been so pivotal to Melbourne and its northern suburbs! Pity it has sat here for so long..all that aside..I am keenly awaiting!

I should intro myself..I am tim, and currently doing my final year in architecture and construction management.

I am actually doing my thesis on Memory and Place within Carlton with relation to the CBD, and for my final design project will be undertaking the CUB site as a design competition.

Hence reading all this is undoubtedly been the best source I can find. Obviously I have had conversations with Grocon and NH...but this thread is pretty unbeatable!

Anyways..on the topic, I was wondering if you guys had any recommendations for me? in terms of the site from more an urban level..some perspectives on that, as well as the topic of gentrification...

i.e how the people that gave carlton its character, were not there anymore once all the development occured as they could no longer afford it..sites like the CUB can have very dramatic effects... a little off topic I know, but any help or direction would be much appreciated!

Also CULWULLA, the models you make of the city, I was wondering where these now sit? I'd love to have a look.. I will be making similar models obviously when i come to next semester..

Lastly, if anyone has any resources that would be much appreciated? where could I get a sketch up model of the site and surrounds with proposed building envelopes!


hope this all makes sense and cheers!

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Update.

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Contacted Grocon and got some renders, I don't think we've seen these ones. The blue one is a recent render from DCM and the colored ones are conceptuals of the use of space in the tower. No further confirmation on height etc, design is still "work in progress".



Looks well over 300m, now. Once we get a height confirmation, the thread will probably need to be moved to the Supertalls section.
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This is going to be epic.
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