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Old October 8th, 2014, 03:11 PM   #1481
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What you may perceive as boring ghettobird, is a haven of grand history and beautiful sights for others. Speaking of Unter den Linden and the Berlin City Palace rising from the ashes currently. The restored Museum Island is unparalleled in the world.

You don't seem to be capable of recognizing the wounds Berlin had to take. It has never been Paris, but it was a beautifully grown historical city with exciting layers. Much of that was lost. And what you described as the "historical center" actually isn't there. The whole old town of Berlin was wiped out.

That's Berlin's old center before WW2, hardly anything of that is left:

Source: http://www.berliner-historische-mitte.de/

That's anything but boring, it was the liveliest part of pre-war Berlin actually.
No one's denying the qualities of Kreuzberg, Alex or Friedrichshain. But the city needs a heart too, not just a liver that can take all those drunkards from abroad.
Yes, I understand a lot of what you say. I know - partly - the history of Berlin although you might refer me as one of those foreign drunks. However - having been such a vibrant city in many decades and always one of the cores in the world politics and - at the same time subject to change I see this kind of development being a step back for Berlin.

You refer Berlin having had a bunch of interesting layers before. That's true for sure but the new Berlin "neoclassic" style seems like a way of escape back to the history rather than taking steps to the new millenium. The palace will never be from the same stone than it was originally built by someone some hundred years ago.

The only thing that is constant is change. And when the city lost something in the midst of history it gave a whole new opportunity to create something new. That's an opportunity that for example Paris doesn't have.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 03:37 PM   #1482
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Well, these opportunities to create something new are scattered all across Berlin and its central districts, and they've been taken. Look at e.g. Potsdamer Platz, City West or the current Mediaspree developments. For the real deal, more brownfield gaps have to be closed - that's when I predict we'll see the rise of truly visionary architecture for Berlin.

For this very centerpiece, though - the actual core and root of Berlin's, Prussia's and thus Germany's development - please allow us the freedom to restore our identity. It's what has made us and what has been there for centuries. The Palace was taken down by the GDR government, as an act of terror against German culture and history. I don't think we have to take it. We just pull it off and give cruel fascism and socialism the finger. That's our vision of freedom and liberty, too. A monument to reunification and German identity.

The first true democratic republic on German soil was initiated from atop the Berlin City Palace, btw. It'll hardly be a royalist monument.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 03:52 PM   #1483
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Talking about the infamous Mediaspree area, a nice video popped up recently:

Max und Moritz Residential Towers | 95m + 85m | U/C | Berlin-Friedrichshain

Website: http://www.wohnkompanie.de/friedrich...nd-moritz.html

Berlin forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1669876


Architect: Tobias Nöfer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjG9lHf-wR8 / channel


The twin tower's name is derived from one of the world's earliest comics, the Max & Moritz story of 1865 by Wilhelm Busch. It's a very likeable way to name a project imho, as opposed to all those artificial and random anglo-names.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #1484
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The palace will never be from the same stone than it was originally built by someone some hundred years ago.
The symphonies of Beethoven are also not played on the same instruments anymore as they have been played at the beginning of the 19th century.

Architecture is no plastic arts. Architecture is the planning of a building which will be realized by a number of completely unknown and replacable craftsmen. That's why every building can easily be reconstructed, if it was destroyed, as long as one knows the original plans. The question is not, if this is a cheap replica. The question is if the building is worth to be shown also to future generations.

Maybe we could pass on a lot of reconstructions of old landmark buildings, if we would have a modern architecture which builts how people want to live. But we don't have such a modern architecture. Our contemporary architects produce an ideological urban development for human beings how they should be in their eyes, but not for the citizens which will have to live in those cities.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 08:22 PM   #1485
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Talking about the infamous Mediaspree area, a nice video popped up recently:

Max und Moritz Residential Towers | 95m + 85m | U/C | Berlin-Friedrichshain

Website: http://www.wohnkompanie.de/friedrich...nd-moritz.html

Berlin forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1669876


Architect: Tobias Nöfer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjG9lHf-wR8 / channel


The twin tower's name is derived from one of the world's earliest comics, the Max & Moritz story of 1865 by Wilhelm Busch. It's a very likeable way to name a project imho, as opposed to all those artificial and random anglo-names.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:58 PM   #1486
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renovation of the old tower ruines of the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Church

One of the most famoue memorials against war and destruction of WW finally renovations nearly finished...



















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Old October 13th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #1487
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Hardenberg Tower

The City-West AG and Langhof today presented a proposal for the City-West.

They want to realise another Tower next to Zoofenster(118m) and UpperWest(118m)







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Old October 13th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #1488
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It would look nicer without those 'gardens', I think. A roof-top garden is a nice idea, but is it feasible for a 200m tower? Anybody knows an example where this has been done?
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Old October 13th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #1489
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^ There are some. With Marina Bay Sands in Singapore being the most prominent one (roughly 200m), with an extra large rooftop terrace.

Crossing fingers for Berlin and the Hardenberg Tower. It finally needs a proper skyscraper to grant its year-long catching-up process a real landmark!
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Old October 14th, 2014, 12:58 PM   #1490
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Old October 19th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #1491
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Berlin neighborhood Schöneberg

News from the development area "Euref Gasometer Schöneberg"

Campus 10-11 and Campus 14 are under construction.


Gasometer Schöneberg Campus 14 by Kleist D, on Flickr


Blick nach Norden, Herbst 2014 by Kleist D, on Flickr



Gasometer Schöneberg Neubautätigkeit by Kleist D, on Flickr

Wind wheel on the Gasometer


Gasometer Schöneberg Windkraftrad by Kleist D, on Flickr


Gasometer Schöneberg, Windrad by Kleist D, on Flickr


Gasometer Schöneberg by Kleist D, on Flickr

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Blick aus Schöneberg in Richtung Nordwest by Kleist D, on Flickr


Blick auf die Schöneberger Insel by Kleist D, on Flickr


gezoomter Blick nach Nordost by Kleist D, on Flickr


Schöneberg Herbst 2014 by Kleist D, on Flickr

Euref property development http://www.eurefcampus.de/de/entwick...rtentwicklung/
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Old October 21st, 2014, 01:32 AM   #1492
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They want to redevelop an inlet of the Spree river near the museums and the castle. It is the Flußbad Berlin


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The idea is to isolate this inlet and make it into a swimming-pool quality contained space. Also known as an open swimming pool.

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Old October 21st, 2014, 01:21 PM   #1493
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Cool idea... But if they are going to destroy the preserved water outlet by Schinkel for the stairs leading into the water, I'm going to the barricades.

Berliner Dom reflections across Lustgarten by ZeroKelvin, on Flickr

It might be just a small detail...but details like this, have become very rare and precious in Berlin.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 07:12 PM   #1494
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Not only the logo is strange.. Ridiculous idea. This is supposed to be a grand place (the odd nude Englishman suffices totally ).

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Old October 21st, 2014, 07:46 PM   #1495
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I think the stairs actually are a good idea to make the place look more grand and open, as long as the Schinkel edifice is preserved. Not so sure about the rather expensive transformation to become a public pool, though.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 07:49 PM   #1496
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which building are you referring to?
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Old October 21st, 2014, 08:27 PM   #1497
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The ornamented water outlet mentioned in post #1493.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 08:39 PM   #1498
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The ornamented water outlet mentioned in post #1493.
Oh, just that outlet? Is it really important?

In any case, with proper plumbing fit on it to avoid contamination with the pool water and vice-versa, shouldn't be difficult to keep it in place.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 03:23 AM   #1499
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Great idea.

The outlet has some nice ornaments (whale fishes ?). Anyway, can be easily integrated and should be preserved.
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Neighborhood Wilmersdorf

Neubau der Deutschen Rentenversicherung und Sanierung des Hochhauses / New construction German pension insurance and redevelopment of the highrise

... die Bauarbeiten gehen voran, dass Hochhaus ist äusserlich großteils saniert, es wird am Sockel gearbeitet.


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Haus Eisenzahn, direkt gegenüber dem Neubau der Deutschen Rentenversicherung / New construction residential house vis a vis German pension insurance

... der Neubau ist noch von einem Gerüst verstellt, man kann einen Blick hinter das Gerüst werfen, sieht m.E. recht interessant aus.


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