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Old January 2nd, 2016, 03:36 PM   #1841
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They should extend the promenade to the City Palace, now that would be a hell of a museum complex.
Indeed, that's what I'd love to see as well. Might be almost impossible though, with such a long passageway that would probably need to get in the way of the U-Bahn tunnel there. Well, breathing some fresh air after such a long stroll through the other museums might be a good idea, anyway. And it really vitalises the Lustgarten green in front of the Cathedral/Dom, of course.

Anyway, Berlin's Museum Island will soon be the largest museum complex in the world with the most imposing collection of all times!


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Old January 2nd, 2016, 05:56 PM   #1842
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I wonder if it really surpasses the Louvre in size... Everyone who has seen the Louvre in person, knows how gigantic it is. Museum Island seems smaller and you have to substract the Alte Nationalgerie from the complex which will not be part of the promenade.
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The Louvre is large by built-up area, but its stately rooms are quite wasteful so Berlin's Museum Island will have more exhibition space. There are 51,615 sqm at Louvre vs. 31.050 sqm at the current Museum Island complex (source) that will add another 41.000(!) sqm with the completion of the Humboldt-Forum, which makes 72.050 sqm, as Adam Riese says. So it's not a completely integrated complex, but almost. And it will be treated as such, functionally.

And btw, Berlin in general has a gigantic museal landscape altogether, that rivals any world city of culture. Its economy might still be somewhat under the radar although rapidly developing, but in cultural terms Berlin clearly is the A-city in the world.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 09:21 PM   #1844
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Definitely. In cultural terms, Berlin is top league.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 04:37 AM   #1845
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Some really amazing and futuristic designs...of course the most mundane and understated designs won in Berlin.
Haha, yes. Germany is like the anti-China and anti-Dubai. Remain classy... underwhelm. Function over form.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 03:31 PM   #1846
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Haha, yes. Germany is like the anti-China and anti-Dubai. Remain classy... underwhelm. Function over form.
German cities don't like overbearing projects...and that's exactly what I like about them.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 02:27 PM   #1847
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And btw, Berlin in general has a gigantic museal landscape altogether, that rivals any world city of culture. Its economy might still be somewhat under the radar although rapidly developing, but in cultural terms Berlin clearly is the A-city in the world.
I agree.
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Old January 8th, 2016, 07:17 PM   #1848
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Old January 9th, 2016, 02:18 AM   #1849
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Old January 12th, 2016, 05:23 AM   #1850
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The Louvre is large by built-up area, but its stately rooms are quite wasteful so Berlin's Museum Island will have more exhibition space. There are 51,615 sqm at Louvre vs. 31.050 sqm at the current Museum Island complex (source) that will add another 41.000(!) sqm with the completion of the Humboldt-Forum, which makes 72.050 sqm, as Adam Riese says. So it's not a completely integrated complex, but almost. And it will be treated as such, functionally.

And btw, Berlin in general has a gigantic museal landscape altogether, that rivals any world city of culture. Its economy might still be somewhat under the radar although rapidly developing, but in cultural terms Berlin clearly is the A-city in the world.
With that said, and I do agree that Berlin is a major world cultural city in the sheer number of cultural offerings, why do you think the attendance of Berlin's museums is so far behind other world cities??

Check out the graph in this article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...ents-box-pager

Out of the World's most visited museums, the Pergamon museum is Berlin's most visited and it takes 60th place (1 million visitors) with the Louvre being #1 (9.3 million visitors)!

I find this surprising. Do you think they are just not marketed as well?
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Old January 13th, 2016, 03:58 AM   #1851
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I find this surprising. Do you think they are just not marketed as well?
Exactly that! Regarding the sheer wealth and importance of it's collections, Berlin ranks among experts in the top five, if not even the top 3 museum cities of the world. The problem: The average Joe and Jane around the world and even in Germany don't know.
Here's somewhere a thread in the international forum, asking about the best/most famous museums. Not once did a non-German mention any of Berlin's museums.
For generations (and still now actually) people were educated to know only Paris, London, Rome, Florence, St. Petersburg, New York etc. as THE museum cities.
It's a shame really... If the Altar of Pergamon stood in London, it would be world famous since it is much more impressive and moving than the Parthenon Marbles...



If the Bust of Nefertiti was displayed in the Louvre she would totally rival the Mona Lisa in fame if not surpassing her...



If the Brachiosaurus Brancai (the largest and most complete dinosaur skeleton in the world) stood in the Metropolitan Museum, every child would know it...



If the ancient Gates of Babylon and it's procession way still stood in Iraq they'd be a UNESCO World Heritage sight on their own...though probably completely levelled by now. But you get my point.



Berlin does however virtually nothing to promote it's collections more internationally. The Gemäldegalerie for example, ranking together with the Louvre, Prado and Hermitage as the best and most complete classical art gallery in the world, gets hardly any visitors at all anymore. There was even a news report on this lately.



It's an interesting read: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1043044.html
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Old January 13th, 2016, 12:16 PM   #1852
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I think that's because Berlin doesn't get the same attention as 10 million metropolis. Germany has multiple cities of interest which are big but not on the level of London or NY, while at the same competing with each other.

That has probably undermined Berlin's ability to promote itself, at least to a certain extent.

I'm hopeful things will change as the city grows and gets ever so cooler.
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That is strange. It's a shame. They should be marketed better and promoted internationally more. It's not like Berlin is an unknown backwater. There is a lot of hype about Berlin as a tourist destination. The figures show it is behind only London and Paris in visitors. Where are all these visitors going? They just go to Berghain and then fly home? LOL Seems like Berlin's museums should benefit from the high tourism to the city, but yet they remain empty? Strange.
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It's not like Berlin museums are empty, it's just that visitors are spreading across the city, with so many niche museums (also many private ones). The pattern is rather diverse, instead of just few big major ones.

Then again, it's a bit strange how every single museum on e.g. Museum Island is counted individually - Pergamon Museum vs. British Museum or Louvre, wtf? That doesn't make sense, it should be Museum Island vs. the latter. Though of course this will be much more emphasized with the upcoming passage connecting the museums much closer.

So steps in the right direction are taken. And I guess with more wealth flocking into the city since some years and world-class projects like City Palace/Humboldt-Forum and (potentially) the new Museum of Modern Art, some things will vastly improve. Please also remember Berlin was destroyed, divided and developped entirely different compared to a western homogenous place like Paris or Rome. Taking that into account, even today's standards of Berlin are amazing.
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Old January 13th, 2016, 07:40 PM   #1855
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Exactly that! Regarding the sheer wealth and importance of it's collections, Berlin ranks among experts in the top five, if not even the top 3 museum cities of the world. The problem: The average Joe and Jane around the world and even in Germany don't know.
Here's somewhere a thread in the international forum, asking about the best/most famous museums. Not once did a non-German mention any of Berlin's museums.
For generations (and still now actually) people were educated to know only Paris, London, Rome, Florence, St. Petersburg, New York etc. as THE museum cities.
It's a shame really... If the Altar of Pergamon stood in London, it would be world famous since it is much more impressive and moving than the Parthenon Marbles.
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I always thought that the archaeological collections of Berlin are undervalued.
The British Museum, Louvre, Metropolitan and Hermitage are named as the most important archaeological museums in the world but for me, as a historian, I find most spectacular collections of Berlin.
I argument on the fact that they have complete architectural structures: the Ishtar Gate from Babylon, the Pergamon Altar (seemed more spectacular than the Parthenon statues but also of different age, Hellenistic), the Market Gate of Miletus, the Umayyad castle Mshatta, the Aleppo room .... apart from the wonderful collection of the Neues and Altes Museum.
The British have Xanthos Lycian temple and the Met has the temple of Dendur but overall are not as spectacular as the complete structures that exist in Berlin.
The Gemäldegalerie gave me no time to visit, but I think is spectacular.
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Old January 13th, 2016, 08:15 PM   #1856
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Please also remember Berlin was destroyed, divided and developped entirely different compared to a western homogenous place like Paris or Rome. Taking that into account, even today's standards of Berlin are amazing.
Exactly. Berlin has a very distinct history, even in the German context. It has only been 25 years since it was the focus point of a major world division, with all that comes with it.
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Old January 16th, 2016, 11:25 PM   #1857
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Berlin is booming as ever. I hope to visit one of greatest capitals of the world one day. Es lebe Berlin as you Germans would say.
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Old January 17th, 2016, 11:56 AM   #1858
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Old January 26th, 2016, 01:37 PM   #1859
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