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Old May 30th, 2010, 01:32 PM   #101
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I don't know exactly, but it is probably rerouting of supply lines (water, electricity, heating etc) and other initial work.
http://www.m.dk/Cityringen/byggeplad...ns+Nytorv.aspx
http://www.danskgeotekniskforening.dk/ref.aspx?id=470
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Old May 30th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #102
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I think it's fair enough not to have escalators up to the surface.. Imagine if a car drove in to it and ended in a deep hole. Oh well and the electric schocks if it heavyrained.

Has the work in Kirsten Bernikowsgade something to the work at Kgs Nytorv?
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Old May 30th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #103
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I think it's fair enough not to have escalators up to the surface.. Imagine if a car drove in to it and ended in a deep hole. Oh well and the electric schocks if it heavyrained.
Rain is not a problem. From the same source as above - Helge Erlandsen:
"Rulletrapperne kan teknisk godt tåle at stå uden overdækning."
http://groups.google.dk/group/dk.fri...c178fa6e9ad50b

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Has the work in Kirsten Bernikowsgade something to the work at Kgs Nytorv?
Yes - according to this map:
http://www.m.dk/cityringen/byggeplad...r-dec2010.ashx
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Old May 30th, 2010, 05:00 PM   #104
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Could the work at Kongens Nytorv be archeological diggings as well?

Sometimes I find the whole Danish mentality of "nothing new must stand out and draw attention to itself, ever!" extremely annoying. I mean I'm not dissatisfied with the Metro stations we have, I think they look quite good, but choosing not to cover the holes solely because they're not allowed to stand out is just so... Danish. Standing out is not necessarily bad, just look at Bilbao and the beautiful stations they have there.

And I don't think we need escalators to street level, something just needs to be done about the steep stairs. Right now it feels like going down a basement staircase or something.
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Old May 30th, 2010, 10:20 PM   #105
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Quite surreal the discussion about escalators reaching the surface! Are you for real? Here in São Paulo many stations have escalators all the way to the top with no cover at all:


Sé Station (busiest in system, lines 1 and 3)
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Old May 30th, 2010, 10:47 PM   #106
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Quite surreal the discussion about escalators reaching the surface! Are you for real? Here in São Paulo many stations have escalators all the way to the top with no cover at all:


Sé Station (busiest in system, lines 1 and 3)
For starters, the Weather in Sao Paulo is not as bad as the Danish Weather :P

The real issue is the aesthetics. Everything new in Copenhagen must fit in with the surrounding area (just think of Krøyers Plads). And you must admit that the escalators to the surface in the picture you submitted look anything but good.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 12:36 AM   #107
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According to the Danish metro company, technically escalators do not need to be covered - even in Denmark.

But why should escalators with glass covers like in Bilbao be any less aesthetic than the existing glass pyramids and glass elevators in Danish metro stations?

Bilbao:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmhdezhdez/3131961978/
http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Pro...5/Default.aspx
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Old May 31st, 2010, 01:11 PM   #108
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For starters, the Weather in Sao Paulo is not as bad as the Danish Weather :P
Well we have no snow but it rains a lot more here, which is the issue hehe.

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The real issue is the aesthetics. Everything new in Copenhagen must fit in with the surrounding area (just think of Krøyers Plads). And you must admit that the escalators to the surface in the picture you submitted look anything but good.
Well they look OK in a "modern" city like Sao Paulo, I don't know about European cities. Isn't there any exemple of a "historical" city in Europe or elsewhere that managed to integrate surface escalators with local esthetics?
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Old May 31st, 2010, 04:43 PM   #109
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I can remember back from my studytrip to Prag in 08 that there are escalators at the surface at the Namesty Republiky Station.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 08:57 PM   #110
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Isn't there any exemple of a "historical" city in Europe or elsewhere that managed to integrate surface escalators with local esthetics?
There is one:

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It's one of the entrances to an S-Bahn station in Berlin.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 05:47 PM   #111
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Do people really find them that necessary? I always thought it was just an aesthetic choice and never really felt that we were lacking anything absolutely essential.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 04:23 AM   #112
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If there is an elevator going to the surface, they could omit the escalator IMO.
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While technically possible, open escalators can be very slippery during a short shower and could potentially be a hazard.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 09:39 AM   #114
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If there is an elevator going to the surface, they could omit the escalator IMO.
There are elevators going to ground level.
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While technically possible, open escalators can be very slippery during a short shower and could potentially be a hazard.
Everything in life is a potential hazard, ranging from drinking that hot coffee in the morning, driving to work and crossing the road!
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Everything in life is a potential hazard, ranging from drinking that hot coffee in the morning, driving to work and crossing the road!
These are things to consider as a operator as you can potentially be sued and become liable.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 11:18 PM   #117
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Well they look OK in a "modern" city like Sao Paulo, I don't know about European cities. Isn't there any exemple of a "historical" city in Europe or elsewhere that managed to integrate surface escalators with local esthetics?
in milan and rome you can find escalators in the city centre... especially in milan.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 04:20 PM   #118
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Amsterdam's Nieuwmarkt station has an escalator going all the way to the surface. And the weather out here is about as bad as, if not worse than, in Copenhagen. Probably just a penny-wise-pound-foolish issue after all.
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Old June 3rd, 2010, 06:28 PM   #119
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It is extremely typical Scandinavians to whine about these issues, so take my word for it when I say that the escalator-to-surface debate has no basis in logics or pragmatism whatsoever.
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Old September 1st, 2010, 10:34 PM   #120
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Malmø line

I see i'm not the only person who has thought about the Copenhagen Metro, and drawed some lines, and they actually looks very like yours "Schliemann", with some few points to discuss

But have you heard? I thought this was one of my plans which wouldn't work in real life, but the mayors of both Copenhagen and Malmø has agreed that there should be build a Metro line from cph over the sund and directly to the centre of malmø. This travel would take 15 minutes, and should have a train every 10 minutes at least.

The existing øresundsbro which allows bigger trains to pass, and is only used for that, will be overused in 10-15 years, and then the best way would be a Metro line.

Link to Danish article: http://ing.dk/artikel/111514-borgmes...nd-for-syv-mia

So, how do YOU think this should be build? from where to where?

Edit: If you think it should be build, arguments for and against?

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