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Old September 7th, 2010, 06:54 PM   #141
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Wikipedia says 120 km/h:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-tog

DSB OWN site says 120 km/h:
http://www.dsb.dk/Om-DSB/Virksomhede...drift/Togsaet/
its the litra sa-sb-sc-sd

So shouldn't we just agree that its 120 km/h?
But it's not :P The wikipedia artivle is about the s-train system, in which the top speed is 120 km/h. The S-train is only approved to go 120 km/h, but it's capable of going 140 km/h.

It's like that with all trains. The IC3 is approved to go 180 km/h, but it's CAPABLE of going 220 km/h.

The IC4 is approved to go 160 km/h, but it's CAPABLE of going at least 220 km/h.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 12:28 AM   #142
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But it's not :P The wikipedia artivle is about the s-train system, in which the top speed is 120 km/h. The S-train is only approved to go 120 km/h, but it's capable of going 140 km/h.

It's like that with all trains. The IC3 is approved to go 180 km/h, but it's CAPABLE of going 220 km/h.

The IC4 is approved to go 160 km/h, but it's CAPABLE of going at least 220 km/h.

You may be right about that, but then they will still only be approved to 120 those s trains, never less, 20 km/h doesn't make a big enough different. it should at least be 160 km/h if it should be upgraded for use in a oresunds tunnel.

btw, are you SURE that ic4 can go 220? its not like the train can do anything else which was promised, besides drive
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Old September 11th, 2010, 06:54 AM   #143
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If they're making a metro line specifically, then it'll have to use cars that have more capacity than the Ansaldobredas.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 07:41 PM   #144
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I was reading about the cititunneln project in Malmö a few days ago.

here is a bit from their webpage: http://www.citytunneln.com/en/The-Project/The-Project/

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A solution to congestion

Today, there is considerable congestion both inside and outside Malmö C. The problems have increased in line with the growth of railway traffic in Skåne, due for example to the success of the Öresund trains. In fact the capacity of Malmö C and its railway yard is used 100%.

In addition, there is also the Continental Line with almost 300 trains per day, which has led to noise problems for people living in the area. Citytunneln will provide a solution to these problems.

The extension of Malmö C with its new underground station, Malmö C Nedre (Lower) will change it from being a stub terminal, where all trains have to turn, to a modern station for through traffic. Citytunneln also means that the number of trains that operate on the Continental Line is reduced to about 70 per day.

I read somewhere on that page too (which I can't find at the moment) that the tunnel will shorten the stoping time from 10 min to 2 min, at Mamlö C.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 11:29 PM   #145
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If they're making a metro line specifically, then it'll have to use cars that have more capacity than the Ansaldobredas.
No one should do anything with AnsalsoBredas! It is a miracle that the metro is working, think about the Danish IC4, or the Netherlands's high speed rail? The rails done, but no trains yet... NEVER do anything with the Italians
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Old September 20th, 2010, 07:58 AM   #146
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No one should do anything with AnsalsoBredas! It is a miracle that the metro is working, think about the Danish IC4, or the Netherlands's high speed rail? The rails done, but no trains yet... NEVER do anything with the Italians
You forgot to mention their North American ****-ups. (Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston all got shitty, overweight, breakdown-prone cars way behind schedule.)
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Old September 20th, 2010, 04:25 PM   #147
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No one should do anything with AnsalsoBredas! It is a miracle that the metro is working, think about the Danish IC4, or the Netherlands's high speed rail? The rails done, but no trains yet... NEVER do anything with the Italians
To add to this the Gothenburg tram system which ordered the M32 from them and got trains that damaged tracks, had poor ride quality and malfunctioning air conditioning. Why anyone uses this company I don't know...
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Old September 20th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #148
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To add to this the Gothenburg tram system which ordered the M32 from them and got trains that damaged tracks, had poor ride quality and malfunctioning air conditioning. Why anyone uses this company I don't know...
They happen to be very good in the art of bribing people.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 10:38 AM   #149
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They happen to be very good in the art of bribing people.
Not likely, its because of the western system. You have a project, and then make of a meeting, where company's can offer they're offer on how to do it. Then they would prbably choose the cheapest one. Always. I heard that there was a german company offering for the danish IC4 trains, who offered a bit longer building time, a rather higher cost, but then promise to delivere at time, better train with no errors etc. But they choosed the cheapest, ending up with a product more delayed than thedate of the high cost offer and with more errors. (IC4 is delivered with 200 errors in average, which has to be done in Denmark. And they still arren't cleared for connecting multiple trains together)

But i don't trust them at all, so i could expect them to bribe some. However, Denmark is the second list corrupt country in the world, when it comes to bribery, only New Zealand is "better".

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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:37 PM   #150
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Well, I don't necessarily mean the "suitcase full of money" style bribe, I mean the we'll "build a factory for vehicle construction in the area" style of bribe. (This is what they tried in L.A. a couple years ago.)
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 06:06 AM   #151
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Not likely, its because of the western system. You have a project, and then make of a meeting, where company's can offer they're offer on how to do it. Then they would prbably choose the cheapest one. Always. I heard that there was a german company offering for the danish IC4 trains, who offered a bit longer building time, a rather higher cost, but then promise to delivere at time, better train with no errors etc. But they choosed the cheapest, ending up with a product more delayed than thedate of the high cost offer and with more errors. (IC4 is delivered with 200 errors in average, which has to be done in Denmark. And they still arren't cleared for connecting multiple trains together)

But i don't trust them at all, so i could expect them to bribe some. However, Denmark is the second list corrupt country in the world, when it comes to bribery, only New Zealand is "better".
So basically, it's a case of good old shortsightedness.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 09:13 AM   #152
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So basically, it's a case of good old shortsightedness.
Yes, which happens everywhere... Especially the danish goverment at this time, they're liberals, so it's there whole political interest, that make them choose like this.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 10:03 PM   #153
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But Soc. Dem. was at charge during the time that the Metro and IC4 was purchased, i think that Sonja Mikkelsen was Minister of Transportation at the time,
But V and K also voted for Ansaldo Breda so both wings is to blame.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 04:42 PM   #154
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Sorry for not pointing this out, but i didn't blame the liberals for what we have.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 08:46 PM   #155
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Okay then we are on the same page again.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 06:32 AM   #156
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I never thought a social democratic party could be cheapskates when it comes to rail transit.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 11:16 PM   #157
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In Denmark both political wings are traditionally looking towards the center parties Konservative and Radikale Venstre ( not so radical :-) ) and that means that a lot of compromises are being made and that also means on the infrastructure politics.


But you have to remember that our right wing party The Danish Liberal Party (Venstre) most likely will be considered a almost ultra left wing party in the american political system.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 05:42 PM   #158
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So, today the fares been raised again, also outside Copenhagen, and the students card, which gives them "cheaper fares" has been raised.

In Copenhagen, we have a clip-card (klippelort) system, a hard paper card, with 10 marks on it, to be cut of and stamped with a date when used. The idea was that you should have it easier tickets, and it should be cheaper than 10 tickets, because people would travel more with this. Its still is somehow, but now it has been raised for the 10'th year in row, and since 2000 it has been raised with 55% more than double of what fuel prices has raised. Along with the standard tickets prices.

Danish newspaper article:
http://politiken.dk/indland/ECE11650...0-aar-i-traek/
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Old May 4th, 2011, 04:28 PM   #159
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Here are some pics from my visit in Copenhagen. We start with the metro.

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What did you think of the metro system in CPH?
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