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Old May 4th, 2011, 04:43 PM   #161
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Metro is pretty nice, and runs frequently. It's also comunicated with the s-tog and brings you to and from the airport, which for tourists is really a very good thing. Unfortunately the public transportation is extremely expensive in Copenhagen plus it would be great to have more lines. I saw construction works on the circle line, which is good.

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Old May 4th, 2011, 04:54 PM   #162
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Old May 4th, 2011, 04:57 PM   #163
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Did you buy a time period pass for CPH? I found that in Stockholm it was a LOT cheaper to have a longer period time card than buying daily tickets (a week pass was only slightly more expensive than a 3 day pass for example, the longer the period the discount kept getting larger and larger until it was cheaper than most other cities).

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Old May 4th, 2011, 05:11 PM   #164
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I used day-passes, coz i didnt stay all the time in town, and it wasnt a long visit in Copenhagen itself either, i made also a trip to Malmo, so there was no need to buy passes for longer periods. Anyway it was still expensive. 3-day-pass costs the same as moth-pass at home! So you can immagine what's the difference for me

Besides i found it stupid that they numbered the zones so weird, Amager - which is the next zone to central zone 1 has number 3, next was airport with the number 4, so we were buying always tickets for 4 zones, then on the way back home to the airport the ticket inspector told us we need just 3 zones... hmm. Nevermind. What was also weird, the ferries had the same logo as the buses, but surprisingly there was no info about using ferries on the day-passes.
My intention isnt to criticize though, coz in overall i would say - metro and S-tog excellent - but the information sucks and there is a lot of rubish in the stations.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #165
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That surprises me to hear about the rubbish in the stations. I would have thought that they would have been as clean as the Swedish stations I have used which were all, pretty universally spotless.

Also surprised to hear just how expensive transport there was. I would love to visit CPH as I've heard lots of good things about the city, so was just really interested to hear an outsiders view on the city's transport.

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Old May 4th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #166
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As for the costs it all depends where you live - for me it was expensive.

S-tog which is sort of S-Bahn/Cercanias/RER good integrated with metro, same ticket.

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Old May 4th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #167
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Old May 4th, 2011, 09:10 PM   #168
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This will get a little politically. But you guys are right, the zones are numbered rather strange, but, the bus network and s-train network has a simple map where its fast to see how many zones you would need. The zones was reorganized, so that every company in the whole country, would have the same zone system. After that, support has been cut to the DSB s-train, and the bus companies has been privatised for liberal reasons. That raised to fare prices (A LOT, my trip into my town costed 5$ for 12 km 8 years ago, now about 6,5$) and even that didn't make it, and to avoid the zone prices to look insane, they simply just created more zones.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:18 PM   #169
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More S-togs
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Old May 5th, 2011, 12:12 AM   #170
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I used day-passes, coz i didnt stay all the time in town, and it wasnt a long visit in Copenhagen itself either, i made also a trip to Malmo, so there was no need to buy passes for longer periods. Anyway it was still expensive. 3-day-pass costs the same as moth-pass at home! So you can immagine what's the difference for me

Besides i found it stupid that they numbered the zones so weird, Amager - which is the next zone to central zone 1 has number 3, next was airport with the number 4, so we were buying always tickets for 4 zones, then on the way back home to the airport the ticket inspector told us we need just 3 zones... hmm. Nevermind. What was also weird, the ferries had the same logo as the buses, but surprisingly there was no info about using ferries on the day-passes.
My intention isnt to criticize though, coz in overall i would say - metro and S-tog excellent - but the information sucks and there is a lot of rubish in the stations.
Hi Falubaz

First of all: I applaud you!

You (and probably many more) are the example of something is rotten in the public transport of Denmark. It is not even tourists who are confused on the Danish ticketing system - eg. it might also be hard to calculate which kind of ticket is the smarter for commuting around of Copenhagen.

Finally you point out two of my biggest critic points too, the information and the cleaning. My only explanation on the latter is many Danes are so selfish, they don't care about where they throws rubbish.

I hope it is all right with you, if I use your posts here in the thread as an example on how foreign tourist sees the Copenhagen public transport system.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #171
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Spoko - which means "ok/no problem"!

As for buses. I found the map with the bus lines but not the whole network, only the fast and frequent lines (A- and S-lines). With no regular lines. That means, i couldn't plan my route with all the possible routes and had to walk sometimes even if there were buses. In the "Byens Net Guide, Bus, Tog & Metro" regular bus lines are shown just in the stricly downtown area. I found that annoying.
Good thing is that the buses are all in the same color scheme, - yellow - easy to spot in the traffic, plus the stops were not only anounced by voice but also displayed on screens inside the buses.

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Old May 5th, 2011, 05:32 AM   #172
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Are there plans to introduce any potential 5th generation S-train stock somewhere down the line?
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Old May 5th, 2011, 09:27 AM   #173
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Are there plans to introduce any potential 5th generation S-train stock somewhere down the line?
5th genration? the 4th generation is almost brand new! And the trains are very reliable.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 09:59 AM   #174
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Weren't they first delivered in like 1996, which is now 15 years ago? I agree though, they are very reliable and I see no reasons why they would be replaced any time soon.
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Long term plans for the Copenhagen metro

As a new thing in Danish public transport history, the municipality of Copenhagen have made a long term plan for the extension of the Copenhagen metro over the next 30-50 years.

The plans can be seen in this article in Danish, with a map:
http://www.b.dk/nationalt/koebenhavn...-metrolinjer-0


It includes three new lines:
M4 will branch out from the new cityring til the development areas of Nordhavnen and Sydhavnen, and continue in the south to Hvidovre Hospital. This proposed line isn't new. There have been proposals for such branches for several years.
It will be 20 km, and have 21 stations - 6 of them shared with the Cityring M3 in the central area. Most of the line will be underground, but it will be elevated in the Nordhavn area.

M6 is a brand new line runinng fra Tingbjerg in north to the airport in south.
It will go via areas like Husum, Brřnshřj, Bellahřj, Bispebjerg, connect to Rigshospitalet, Inner Nřrrebro, Vesterbro Torv, Central station and continue to Amagerbro and run under Amagerbrogade to the Airport.
It will 21 km long, and have 26 stations. It will be interly underground, and the far most expensive one

M7 is a new ringline, it will share tunnel with M6, but two branches will meet to make a new circle. It will connect to future development areas at Refshaleřen and Northern Amager.
It will be 14 km long, with 13 stations. most of them will be shared with the M6. It will be underground in the central and shared parts, but run elevated in the new eastern part at Refshaleřen and parts of Amager.

Even though this is just proposals - they havn't found financial solutions yet, and it isn't political aproved - this is pretty exciting - as this is the first official long term strategy for future development of the Copenhagen metro, from the Municipality of Copenhagen. And it is pretty ambitous, and will bring Copenhagen up among the European cities with the best infrastructure and public transport! It will really cover every inch of the city with metro - no one will have more than max. 5 minutes walk to a station.

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What is thie 'new ring'? Will it be a new metro line, or the current Ringbanen (S-tog F line), or Ringbanen converted to metro, or something completely different? :-)
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What is thie 'new ring'? Will it be a new metro line, or the current Ringbanen (S-tog F line), or Ringbanen converted to metro, or something completely different? :-)
If it's the M7 line you mean, it will be a complete new line. There are not currently plans or talks about converting S-tog line F to metro, even though it today have a metro-like service.
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If it's the M7 line you mean, it will be a complete new line. There are not currently plans or talks about converting S-tog line F to metro, even though it today have a metro-like service.
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As much as I like the proposal for new metro lines, it will be the end of the DTU-proposal. And that would be a shame.

I think Křbenhavns Kommune should work more for the parallel S-tunnel and then suggest new metro lines that would work in collaboration with this line. The problem is probably that a new S-tunnel would mostly help the (existing) suburbs, while the Křbenhavn Kommunes proposal for new metro lines would help Křbenhavns Kommune and the new development areas.

that DTU proposal has some good ideas, like the creation of fast tracks on the existing lines, which would make the express trains even faster, right now they can't go faster than the train in front of them, so they depart later.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...dECk1pszmLnQWQ

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that DTU proposal has some good ideas, like the creation of fast tracks on the existing lines, which would make the express trains even faster, right now they can't go faster than the train in front of them, so they depart later.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...dECk1pszmLnQWQ
I completely agree, the S-tunnel should be built as DTU has suggested, mainly because the Boulevardbanen is already too congested limiting any expansion of the system, also the whole s-train system is very vulnerable if something happens on that stretch (which it does more than rarely). It is a pity that they haven't moved forward with that proposal.

I am skeptical about the fast tracks, because the costs are way too high for those few saved minutes, imo.
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