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Old July 30th, 2007, 08:30 PM   #1
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Enlargement of Schengen

Good news! All border crossings in Eastern European countries will be removed by December 2007!

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EU to lift border checks as "Christmas gift" to new members
(BUDAPEST) - The European Union will in December lift border controls for citizens of nine countries which joined the bloc in 2004, a top official said Monday, adding that the move was a "Christmas present."

"We can confirm our original plans to lift land borders and maritime borders by December of this year and airport borders by March 2008," Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini told a press conference also addressed by Hungarian Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany.

"We would expect to lift borders between mid-December and the end of December in the Christmas time, as a Christmas gift to all the citizens of Europe," Frattini said.

He said a formal political decision on admitting the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia into the Schengen free-movement zone would be taken in November.

The Schengen treaty, which abolished border checks between its members, counts 15 participating countries: all the oldest EU members except Britain and Ireland, plus non-EU nations Norway and Iceland.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 09:50 PM   #2
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I wish that they could do something like that here in North America. I'm still amazed that many of the countries in the Schengen zone have fought truly VICIOUS wars against each other more than once within the past 100 years, while the USA and Mexico have been at peace for 100 years or so and the USA and Canada haven't fired a shot in anger at each other since the end of the War of 1812 - and yet the checkpoints in North America are getting harder and harder to cross on a nearly daily basis.



As it is now, though, I do see a lot of similarities between the Schengen zone and the USA itself, when you think of the individual USA states as being country-like semi-sovereign entities that all use a common currency and a common external border.

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Old July 30th, 2007, 10:38 PM   #3
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So....does this mean that I don't have to show my ID-card when I'm going to Finland, for example??? ...This is great! I knew that it will happen some day but not so soon. I thought of something like in the middle of 2008.

(I can drive to Portugal without stopping, wooohhooo! )

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Old July 30th, 2007, 10:41 PM   #4
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If you drive to Germany, you can pass Latvia, Lithuania and Poland, all without stopping at the borders Saves you at least a couple of hours.

I think it might be a boost for tourism too. People here are so used to open borders, they are afraid for hours of waiting for the border, so they rather drive 1600km to Barcelona, than 800km to Praha.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 10:45 PM   #5
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So....does this mean that I don't have to show my ID-card when I'm going to Finland, for example??? ...This is great! I knew that it will happen some day but not so soon. I thought of something like in the middle of 2008.
Yes. Taking the ferry between Tallinn and Helsinki will be like crossing between two states (such as taking a ferry across Lake Michigan between Manitowoc, WI and Ludington, MI) here in the USA.

The Euro will make that crossing even easier, too.

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Old July 31st, 2007, 12:11 AM   #6
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^Yeah, but Estonia won't get EURO before 2012.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 04:17 AM   #7
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Yaay, we'll be fully integrated just in time for the Presidency!

Anyways, this has been known for a couple of months now, but good thing the word is spreading, means it's happening for sure..

By the way, Slovenia already installed the SIS on our systems so we are tehnically and formally ready to join Schengen. Yaaaaay!
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Old July 31st, 2007, 06:52 AM   #8
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I wish that they could do something like that here in North America. I'm still amazed that many of the countries in the Schengen zone have fought truly VICIOUS wars against each other more than once within the past 100 years, while the USA and Mexico have been at peace for 100 years or so and the USA and Canada haven't fired a shot in anger at each other since the end of the War of 1812 - and yet the checkpoints in North America are getting harder and harder to cross on a nearly daily basis.
Absolutely...makes me all the more jealous when I hear about Schengen.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 01:02 PM   #9
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That's great news
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Old July 31st, 2007, 05:33 PM   #10
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Absolutely...makes me all the more jealous when I hear about Schengen.
Yeah, but you have to cross only one border to acces a large portion of Northern America.

For Europeans, if they wanna go to Hungary or Croatia, they have to cross like 4 borders within 1000km/600 miles.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:37 PM   #11
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Well, Croatia will still remain a problem, but at least loads of other countries won't..
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Old August 1st, 2007, 04:50 PM   #12
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Old August 1st, 2007, 05:46 PM   #13
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How'bout Switzerland?


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Old August 1st, 2007, 06:18 PM   #14
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Not in this turn. Switzerland is considering to join Schengen, but they won't join now. Above map is wrong.

This one is better. Dark blue already in Schengen, middle blue joining Schengen, light blue going to Schengen in some years.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 06:22 PM   #15
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Hopefully the UK and Ireland will join one day but I don't think it would make much difference to us, you would still have to stop at the border to get onto a ferry/train or you will drive into the sea.

Our only land border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is already completely open anyway.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 06:43 PM   #16
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Hopefully the UK and Ireland will join one day but I don't think it would make much difference to us, you would still have to stop at the border to get onto a ferry/train or you will drive into the sea.

Our only land border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is already completely open anyway.
Aren't the UK/Ireland's inspections mainly to keep 'invasive' plant/animal/disease species off of the islands?

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Old August 1st, 2007, 06:53 PM   #17
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Hopefully the UK and Ireland will join one day but I don't think it would make much difference to us, you would still have to stop at the border to get onto a ferry/train or you will drive into the sea.
The difference will be over all about 'commercial' limitation: Schengen will make 'em fall down
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 02:38 AM   #18
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Not in this turn. Switzerland is considering to join Schengen, but they won't join now. Above map is wrong.

This one is better. Dark blue already in Schengen, middle blue joining Schengen, light blue going to Schengen in some years.
Not exactly so. All the blue-coloured countries are already signatoires of the Schengen Agreement. Dark blue means they have already implemented it. Then those who are implementing it in december. Light-blue countries are members implementing it later (Switzerland aims to do so in November 2008, Romania and Bulgaria in 2011 and Cyprus is uncertain).
Yellow countries (Liechtenstein and Vatican City) have expressed interest in joining. And green (Monaco) means not official membership, but de facto.

Every country joining the EU in the future is joining Schengen at the same time (Bulgaria and Romania became members of both institutions on 1 January 2007)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_agreement

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Old August 2nd, 2007, 08:54 AM   #19
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Yeah, but you have to cross only one border to acces a large portion of Northern America.
Yeah, but it's slowly closing by the minute.

Europe and North America are moving in opposite directions.
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 03:25 PM   #20
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How'bout Switzerland?


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Most times i passed the Swiss border, they just wave you through, usually there isn't even a passport check or something.
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