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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:22 PM   #181
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Not only enhance, but introduce! Seems like an awful waste of money to me. Implement Schengen border controls for a just few months...
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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:28 PM   #182
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That Switzerland is joining is good news. Only in 2002 they joined the UN, but I guess it's difficult for Switzerland to remain completely neutral in a world like this. This will mean that Austria and Germany have no control anymore at any of their borders
Also France and Italy! For Italy it was kind of funny because part of the metropolitan area of Milan (extended) lies in Switzerland actually (Chiasso and surroundings)
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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:41 PM   #183
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There's control on the border between France and Andorra, as well as UK (Chunnel), not to mention Brazil and Suriname. And San Marino controls its border with Italy every now and then.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:46 PM   #184
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It will not be easy to blame the Swiss if they vote against free movement of workers when the EU does not want to apply it itself.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:48 PM   #185
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It will not be easy to blame the Swiss if they vote against free movement of workers when the EU does not want to apply it itself.
What are you talking about?

The temporary limitations that are yet intact in a small number of memberstates? They are going to fall in a few years.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #186
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Yes, precisely, I'm talking about that. A free movement of people is one of the essential elements of European integration, so I think this temporary restriction is not ok.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:09 PM   #187
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The Netherlands also restricts Bulgarians and Romanians from working limitless in our country.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #188
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A free movement of people is one of the essential elements of European integration, so I think this temporary restriction is not ok.
The alternative for these countries (BG/RO) would have been to join at a later date - would have made much more sense anyway.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:18 PM   #189
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Why would Switzerland have to allow BG&RO workers already now, when not all EU members allow them yet?
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:05 PM   #190
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Have Norway and Iceland got the same problem?
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Old November 28th, 2008, 07:52 PM   #191
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I don't know, someone who knows should explain us! But the EU justice commissioner, Jacques Barrot, said yesterday that Switzerland will have to leave Schengen in case they vote in the referendum against the freedom of movement of workers from RO and BG. So I really don't get it, why should they allow it, and not, say, Austria, Germany or the Netherlands?
But I'm really looking forward to CH entering the Schengen area!
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I don't know, someone who knows should explain us! But the EU justice commissioner, Jacques Barrot, said yesterday that Switzerland will have to leave Schengen in case they vote in the referendum against the freedom of movement of workers from RO and BG. So I really don't get it, why should they allow it, and not, say, Austria, Germany or the Netherlands?
But I'm really looking forward to CH entering the Schengen area!
Germany Austria and as it seems Netherlands have temporary exemptions that will run out in a short time.

The EU will not accept new exemptions. Switzerland agreed before to a deal that it in exchange for being allowed to join Schengen it will create freedom of movement. If Switzerland is not ready to hold what it promised, it will face the consequences.
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Shengen means that there are no border controls. This is not connected directly with whether they can take up employment in that country.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:59 PM   #194
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Shengen means that there are no border controls. This is not connected directly with whether they can take up employment in that country.
It is not directly connected, but it was part of the deal that Switzerland brokered with the EU. If Switzerland breaks that deal, you can't expect that the EU accepts to be fooled by them. If they break the deal, they can forget it, the entire one, ie also Schengen.
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I think it's more us, Schengen countries (particularly Switzerland's neighbors), that want Switzerland in the Schengen area, rather than the other way around though.

PS: there's still gonna be control on the Swiss border, not of people, but of goods
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Shengen means that there are no border controls. This is not connected directly with whether they can take up employment in that country.
Schengen = Free movement op people, goods and capital. Schengen is way more than just border checks.

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Germany Austria and as it seems Netherlands have temporary exemptions that will run out in a short time.
3 years is not a short time. The public opinion is somewhat against the Poles, since we don't have proper housing for them (domestic rental housing is under high pressure), they live with a lot of people in one house/apartment, which sometimes gives problems. However, we need them, even with all the gastarbeiters our unemployment rates are still at record lows.
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3 years is not a short time. The public opinion is somewhat against the Poles, since we don't have proper housing for them (domestic rental housing is under high pressure), they live with a lot of people in one house/apartment, which sometimes gives problems. However, we need them, even with all the gastarbeiters our unemployment rates are still at record lows.
Well, whatever but its done after 3 years. Thats good, because the new member are full members. The freedoms are integral part of membership and a limitation of it can only be accepted in the way of transitional periods. Those periods will end in 3 years at the latest. Most member states have ended them already way before, but also the last reluctant ones have to end it in 3 years.

Thats not a matter of discussion anymore, all states have voted in favor of admission of those countries. Thats all that has to be said in this regard.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:19 PM   #198
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Schengen = Free movement op people, goods and capital. Schengen is way more than just border checks.
No, there will still be controls of good on the swiss border. There are several different agreements one is Schengen, then there is Dublin, the free movement of people. All of those Switzerland will now be part of, but not of free movement of goods.
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I think it's more us, Schengen countries (particularly Switzerland's neighbors), that want Switzerland in the Schengen area, rather than the other way around though.

PS: there's still gonna be control on the Swiss border, not of people, but of goods
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Thats because they are not member of the single market for some weird reasons, but as they like.

I would not be sure that the EU wants Switzerland more inside of Schengen than the other way round. Fact is there is a deal and if Switzerland breaks it, that deal is rendered meaningless and Switzerland can forget Schengen again.
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