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Old December 14th, 2008, 11:19 PM   #281
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Old December 14th, 2008, 11:28 PM   #282
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Talking about Shengen and driving licences this it maybe the place to mention the existence of EUCARIS. This is an European system for exchanging information about driving licences and cars. Here are the countries participating or those who have already expressed interest to participate in the system:
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Old December 14th, 2008, 11:40 PM   #283
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Well,then whats the point of it at all? A driver licence is valid all over the planet(AFAIK),and if it is equals an ID in a country,why isnt it good in an other? And this is especially true in the EU,where all such documents/cards are standardised,so the same...
Wait a minute: are you asking me, if say German DL is valid in say Spain? Of course it is, as driver's license. But it doesn't function as an ID outside Germany, you still need ID or passport to go to Spain.
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Old December 14th, 2008, 11:48 PM   #284
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Anyone in a country can get a driver's license. Only citizens can get the national ID card, just like with the passport. It's a much higher form of ID, thus why it works for border crosses and not DLs. DLs mention nothing about citizenship.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 12:32 AM   #285
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The nationality is mentioned on the driving license under 4f. But I agree that ID card is the document to use for travelling.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 01:07 AM   #286
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Well they are not quite the same... In some countries you have the big rose sheet, and in others the driving licence is just a small card.
But aren't they one after another replaced by harmonized plastic cards one after another?
It would be a great boost in comfort if driver licenses could be used as ID in the Schengen area.
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Drivers licences is a great ID I have used in many countries, especially when you are from Norway, where we don't have national IDs, and it's not always convenient to drag the passport around...
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Old December 15th, 2008, 01:14 AM   #288
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But aren't they one after another replaced by harmonized plastic cards one after another?
It would be a great boost in comfort if driver licenses could be used as ID in the Schengen area.
We don't have plastic driver's license yet.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 01:39 AM   #289
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The nationality is mentioned on the driving license under 4f. But I agree that ID card is the document to use for travelling.
My standard Swedish EU one has no 4f. The closest there is to nationality is country of birth but that space is empty, I've never seen a Swedish license that actually has that filled in. The new ones that started being issued last year have that I think, but of course birth country does not equal citizenship.

Old Swedish license, like the one I have (the slot for birth country is next to the birthdate in 3):

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As you can see, not the birth country is listed, but not citizenship.
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Are you comfortable with posting all those personal details?

Anyway, it seems like Sweden was ahead of Austria for example when the above one is already an old one. In Austria the plastic card had been introduced only a few years ago. I have for example still the old paper one.

I guess from a technical point of view nothing would prevent such a driver license to function also as ID (of course with some additional information on it). If the front side would be too crammed then, the back would be still an option.

But maybe there are arguments speaking against combining both which I have not thought of so far...
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Old December 15th, 2008, 01:54 AM   #291
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Are you comfortable with posting all those personal details?
Johan Andersson is the most typical Swedish name, and Dan1113 is a Swedish American, and his name is probably Dan.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 02:04 AM   #292
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My standard Swedish EU one has no 4f.
Mine has 4e and 4f respectively for gender and nationality, but in the same time it was issued in 2003, so I don't have a clue how the EU driving license actually look in Bulgaria... Maybe they removed 4e/f, they put the blue EU flag and "Driving license" in all the 23 official languages.

P.S: In order to use the driving license for travelling they should make them also machine readable just like the passports and the ID cards... You know the character string with plenty of <<<
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Are you comfortable with posting all those personal details?
Johan Andersson may seem to be a real person, but in fact he is a very generic one. The pictures above are just examples pulled from the Swedish road administration's website.

About country of birth being listed, my mother's Swedish license has it listed and my she considers it very unnecessary. Your place of birth is quite irrelevant with regards to your rights as a citizen. Especially since most European countries use jus sanguinis (right of the blood) rather than jus soli (right of the earth) to determine citizenship right at birth.
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Oh well, now I know how the Swedish "Hans Mayer" or "Max Mustermann" is named.
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Swedish licenses have a barcode on the back so that they can be scanned by stores and such that require ID. It in puts your personal number onto the system/receipt so you don't have to write it yourself. :p:

And indeed, that was just a standard image from the road agency, 'tis not me.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 08:33 PM   #296
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Talking about Shengen and driving licences this it maybe the place to mention the existence of EUCARIS. This is an European system for exchanging information about driving licences and cars. Here are the countries participating or those who have already expressed interest to participate in the system:
EUCARIS is very interesting
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:52 PM   #297
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Good thing (for me) that EUCARIS wasn't working a few years ago. I got caught by a speed cam on the German A7 near Kassel doing like 120 on a 100 kmh downhill section. I still remember that red flash before my eyes...

But then again, catching speeders might not be the purpose of it.
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Weird to see a lot of southwestern Europe not even interested...
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Schengen and Liechtenstein. It's funny how the Swiss control the Austrian border (with Liechtenstein), when both of them (Austrians and the Swiss) are in Schengen. It's also interesting that third-country citizens living in Liechtenstein now need (free-of-charge) visa to enter Switzerland... but without actual control on the border (probably the only such case in the world). They can now even go to Austria and other Schengen countries (through Switzerland) without checking, if they really have visa.
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Is this something like a hole in Schengen?
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