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Old December 16th, 2011, 09:40 PM   #341
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Interestingly, the Netherlands is the biggest investor in Romania.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 10:01 PM   #342
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Let's focus on what's actually going on on the real world: I have been to the land border posts of Hungary (EU-Schengen) with Romania (EU-non Schengen). What kind of checks are needed for a UE citizen to cross from Romania into Hungary and the Schengen area? This: You show your ID or Passport, the guy in charge sees your face and let's your car pass the border into the Schengen area (from time to time ask to open the your trunk and takes a quick look). Ohhh, Big deal! I honestly can't see what difference could it actually make if Romania and Bulgaria were already part of Schengen.
They usually don't bother you, if you're an EU citizen (including Romanians and Bulgarians), but they will check you, if you're from Iran, for example.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #343
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In reality, the border controls are a joke anyway, so getting Romania and Bulgaria into Schengen will de-facto not change much.
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Speaking from my own experience of crossing the Romania/Hungary border point I can tell that in the last 2-3 years there were 3 main control types I have encountered at the border:
  • they just waved me to cross without any check (rare situation)
  • they look at the ID card, but not always at your face... it takes 5 seconds (most of the cases)
  • besides looking at the ID card they ask you "Where are you going?"... any answer is the correct one (also rare situation)

More, at the Hungary/Croatia and Croatia/Slovenia border crossing the situation was the same (just ID check)... and Croatia is not even an EU member.

The main point is that if a bad guy wants to go to Western Europe to break the law he can do this efortless with or without Romania in Schengen space.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 10:11 AM   #344
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In my experience, it seems like the main reason for checks along the eastern external border of the Schengen Zone is to provide the customs officers with an opportunity to collect bribes. I've never seen them show any interest any anything other than bribes.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 11:18 AM   #345
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They usually don't bother you, if you're an EU citizen (including Romanians and Bulgarians), but they will check you, if you're from Iran, for example.
I had the same experience when travelling through Schengen, Slovenia included.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #346
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Do they get any Iranians travelling to Western EU via Balkans via E75? Don't they just fly? I am not quite sure if it is true, but I have been told there is a frien from Belgrade to Theran via IST. lol
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Old December 17th, 2011, 07:33 PM   #347
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Well, as I see each week a lot of lorries in the Northwestern part of the Paris region (near Éragny-sur-Oise), not all Iranians fly !
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Old December 19th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #348
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The Principality of Liechtenstein today became a full member of Schengen treaty.

Article in German though:

http://www.vaterland.li/index.cfm?id...a&ressort=home
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:23 PM   #349
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Actually, only the Netherlands is still opposing (Finland has recently announced it will not oppose anymore), the reason being Geert Wilders.
I presume that Wilders isn't against Romania per se, but sees it is a potential weak link that if it joined Schengen would allow more Muslim immigrants to reach the Netherlands?
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:32 PM   #350
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More, at the Hungary/Croatia and Croatia/Slovenia border crossing the situation was the same (just ID check)... and Croatia is not even an EU member.
Back in 2004 at Slovenia-Croatia crossing they gave a loong suspicious look at me and my ID card... maybe just because back then I had taliban-style beard
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:53 PM   #351
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+1

Speaking from my own experience of crossing the Romania/Hungary border point I can tell that in the last 2-3 years there were 3 main control types I have encountered at the border:
  • they just waved me to cross without any check (rare situation)
  • they look at the ID card, but not always at your face... it takes 5 seconds (most of the cases)
  • besides looking at the ID card they ask you "Where are you going?"... any answer is the correct one (also rare situation)

More, at the Hungary/Croatia and Croatia/Slovenia border crossing the situation was the same (just ID check)... and Croatia is not even an EU member.

The main point is that if a bad guy wants to go to Western Europe to break the law he can do this efortless with or without Romania in Schengen space.
Actually, if you follow the news, there are weekly reports on border guards seizing trasspassers at the border with Ukraine and Moldova, most being Afghans, Iraqis, Pakistanis. I would say most are already stopped at the already eastern EU borders before reaching the Schengen borders.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 03:50 PM   #352
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Interestingly, the Netherlands is the biggest investor in Romania.
As alredy said and obviously the reason for that is not economical! Well I do belive that your PM will son surrender!
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Old December 21st, 2011, 05:58 PM   #353
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I presume that Wilders isn't against Romania per se, but sees it is a potential weak link that if it joined Schengen would allow more Muslim immigrants to reach the Netherlands?
The Romanian Muslim population is negligible. Most of them live in Dobrogea and they usually don't do anything bad. We even have a muslim guy on Romanian part of SSC and he's ok

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Actually, if you follow the news, there are weekly reports on border guards seizing trasspassers at the border with Ukraine and Moldova, most being Afghans, Iraqis, Pakistanis. I would say most are already stopped at the already eastern EU borders before reaching the Schengen borders.
I live in a border zone, so even the local news show how the Romanian border patrol officers catch the immigrants. I would like to add one thing: most of those Afghans, Iraqis, African etc. immigrants enter Romania legaly (they have obtained Romanian visa, but not Schengen visa), and they want to cross the border ilegaly into Schengen. Why is our country giving visas so easy?
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Why is our country giving visas so easy?
I think most are refugees since the UN has a shelter(or more?)in western Romania.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 09:10 PM   #355
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(...) Why is our country giving visas so easy?
Maybe because Romania needs desperately hands to work ! (all gone to the West ...)

P.S.: I thought Liechtenstein was already part of the Schengen zone (as neighboring Austria & Switzerland already are ...
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:39 PM   #356
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I think most are refugees since the UN has a shelter(or more?)in western Romania.
I mostly hear at the news that they entered legally in my country. We have a shelter for UN refugees, but there are a lot more persons trying to cross the border illegaly than UN refugees.

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Maybe because Romania needs desperately hands to work ! (all gone to the West ...)
No, this is not the problem. We usually don't import work force. There are a lot of unemployed people searching for a job here.

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P.S.: I thought Liechtenstein was already part of the Schengen zone (as neighboring Austria & Switzerland already are ...
No, it was not part of Schengen. One courios thing: the Switzerland/Liechtenstein border crossing was just surveiled by video cameras (no border police booths), but Liechtenstein/Austria border was with permanent checks. So if you wanted to go directly from A to FL you were checked, but you could avoid this driving through CH
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Maybe Andorra will follow ? Has anyone read about such plans anywhere ?

P.S.: I'm very curious how the situation will look in the BIH Neum enclave when Croatia enters the EU ...
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 06:04 AM   #358
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Maybe Andorra will follow ? Has anyone read about such plans anywhere ?

P.S.: I'm very curious how the situation will look in the BIH Neum enclave when Croatia enters the EU ...
Neum is not an enclave. More like Croatia has an exclave south of Neum. Croatia wanted to build a bridge/overpass in Neum so that it's citizens can travel without entering BIH.
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^ Left coalition just won the elections here, and that bridge will not be built.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 05:31 PM   #360
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This is an excerpt from the layout of Accession treaty, dated September 13, 2011, page 155-156, regarding Neum corridor:

"IV. NEUM
31997 L 0078: Council Directive 97/78/EC of 18 December 1997 laying down the principles
governing the organisation of veterinary checks on products entering the Community from third countries (OJ L 24, 30.1.1998, p. 9).
Article 1 is replaced by the following:
"Article 1
1. Veterinary checks on products from third countries introduced into one of the territories listed
in Annex I shall be carried out by Member States in accordance with this Directive and with
Regulation (EC) No 882/2004 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April
2004 on official controls performed to ensure the verification of compliance with feed and
food law, animal health and animal welfare rules(1).
2. By way of derogation from paragraph 1, consignments of products coming from the territory
of Croatia and transiting through the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina at Neum ('Neum
corridor') before re-entering the territory of Croatia via the points of entry at Klek or Zaton
Doli, may be exempted from the veterinary checks, subject to compliance with the following
requirements:
AC 31/11 AK/sb 156
DG K 2 LIMITE EN
(a) Croatia must have in place on or before the date of accession points of entry to the north
and south of the Neum corridor that are equipped, staffed and prepared to ensure
compliance with the requirements of this paragraph;
(b) Croatia must ensure that:
(i) only closed vehicles are used for transporting the consignments;
(ii) vehicles transporting consignments are sealed with uniquely numbered seals before
transiting the Neum corridor;
(iii) a register is made, detailing which numbered seals have been attached to which
vehicles, which allows for the necessary controls;
(iv) the date and time of leaving and re-entering the territory of Croatia of the vehicles
transporting consignments are recorded, so that the total time of transit can be
calculated.
(c) Croatia shall ensure that consignment must not be allowed to re-enter its territory
where:
(i) a vehicle's seal has been broken or replaced during transiting the Neum corridor;
and/or
(ii) the total time of transit considerably exceeds the acceptable total time of transit,
given the total distance of transit unless the competent authority has carried out an
assessment of the risks to animal and public health and has adopted effective,
proportionate and targeted measures based on that assessment.
(d) Croatia must regularly and as necessary inform the Commission of any non-compliance
with the requirements of point (b) and of the measures it has taken under point (c).
(e) Where necessary, a decision to suspend or withdraw the derogation from paragraph 1
shall be adopted in accordance with the procedure laid down in Article 29.
(f) Where necessary, detailed rules for the application of this paragraph may be adopted in
accordance with the procedure laid down in Article 29.' "
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