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Old August 2nd, 2007, 05:38 PM   #21
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If somebody would say this to me in 1988 - I would not believe. Then going to Moon seemed a lot simpler than going to Sweden.

Can tell some stories, f.e. in our school (I ended in 1988) one guy was excellent in German language, he won competition and was recognised as the best in Latvia in his age. As a present he got a permit to go and visit Eastern Germany. Everybody envyed him very much. But... the visit to Eastern Germany coincided with exams in Academy of Arts where he wanted to study. And in these times - if you did not enter the highschool after completion of school, you were drawn in Soviet Army with high chances to die in Afghanistan or just from beating of fellow "comrades".

Without much thinking he decided to go to Eastern Germany - he missed his highschool and had to spend 2 years in humiliating conditions in Soviet Army for this. But he was happy about his decision then.

Such luxury as visit to Western Germany was beyond the wildest dreams.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 10:08 AM   #22
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Not in this turn. Switzerland is considering to join Schengen, but they won't join now. Above map is wrong.

This one is better. Dark blue already in Schengen, middle blue joining Schengen, light blue going to Schengen in some years.

looking at the map and living in Croatia... damn... this is so isolating... last 10 years we could go to Slovenia or Hungary just with identification card, now we need to show passport... really frustrating...
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 09:21 PM   #23
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Aren't the UK/Ireland's inspections mainly to keep 'invasive' plant/animal/disease species off of the islands?

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And invasive people, according to some

Ireland didn't join Schengen basically because that would mean they'd have to quit the Common Travel Area which would mean they'd have to show their IDs to go to Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.
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Old August 4th, 2007, 12:43 AM   #24
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looking at the map and living in Croatia... damn... this is so isolating... last 10 years we could go to Slovenia or Hungary just with identification card, now we need to show passport... really frustrating...
It's look like that Croatia is very near EU integration
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Old August 4th, 2007, 12:49 AM   #25
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It's look like that Croatia is very near EU integration
Most certainly deserves to be within the structure, but won't join until 2010 or better I guess.
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Old August 4th, 2007, 01:14 AM   #26
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Most certainly deserves to be within the structure, but won't join until 2010 or better I guess.
well if we talk about schengen it's going to happen when and important IF we enter EU... polls say that 50% of citizens are against joining, we're just sceptical about all that...hehe.. we're learning from a history of 900 years under other states

but geographicaly looking, our roads are top class, highways are constructing everyday, tourism boost is one of the largest in europe i'll say, even though we could enter EU, we could also stay something like Switzerland but with sea :P
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Old August 4th, 2007, 01:37 AM   #27
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we could also stay something like Switzerland but with sea :P
Come on mate, face it, you won't afford to stay outside, this is first of all within your interest to become a part of UE, even Switzerland will join Schengen in a couple of years not to mention that they might be a part of EU sooner or later.
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Old August 4th, 2007, 11:35 PM   #28
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^Why would Switzerland want to become a part of EU? Switzerland is better off without it.
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Old August 5th, 2007, 12:09 AM   #29
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Switzerland wouldn't give up their centuries-old political neutrality and sovereignty tradition so easily, which would automatically happen if they join the EU.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 12:38 AM   #30
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cyprus will join schengen when our 2 new airports are finished(end of 2009). the goverment does not want to waste money to upgrade security checking in the current airports.
our sea ports are almost 100% ready.
the other problem with implementing schengen in cyprus is that we will have to increase control at the green line dividing the island,which our goverment does not want to do it as it will increase the feeling of 2 states on the island .
cyprus is having talks with brussels trying to find a solution to this problem
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Old August 6th, 2007, 11:22 AM   #31
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looking at the map and living in Croatia... damn... this is so isolating... last 10 years we could go to Slovenia or Hungary just with identification card, now we need to show passport... really frustrating...
Sure, it's very frustrating. What would you say if you need not just passport but visa also, like rest of Western Balkanas.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 11:39 AM   #32
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Sure, it's very frustrating. What would you say if you need not just passport but visa also, like rest of Western Balkanas.
You guys still need visas to enter EU??????
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Old August 6th, 2007, 01:26 PM   #33
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Yes, unfortunately.

I've just got Schengen visa for my trip to Portugal in next week. To get the visa I had to provide tons of documents. It costed me lot of time, nerves and money. Just to have opportunity to go there and spend my hard earned money.

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Old August 6th, 2007, 01:56 PM   #34
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The difference will be over all about 'commercial' limitation: Schengen will make 'em fall down
Would Schengen really make that much of a difference to commercial barriers? There is a single European market regardless of Schengen, I don't think that a requirement to show a passport would really block much trade.

Maybe if some countries were previously very strict with controls and large queues formed at the borders this would be a problem but here at least the customs controls are usually very quick, the customs officers just wave most people through without stopping them.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 05:22 PM   #35
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You forget the hours of waiting time for trucks (commercial traffic) at the borders. Now the time is reduced since Poland belongs to EU, but a few years ago, you easily could wait one day at the border if you were a truck driver.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 06:35 PM   #36
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You forget the hours of waiting time for trucks (commercial traffic) at the borders. Now the time is reduced since Poland belongs to EU, but a few years ago, you easily could wait one day at the border if you were a truck driver.
Just literally yesterday, it was on Polish news channel (TVN24) that there was some major server outage on Ukrainian border which caused a huge queue of trucks as a result. The estimated queue time was roughly 12 hours.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 07:19 AM   #37
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If somebody would say this to me in 1988 - I would not believe. Then going to Moon seemed a lot simpler than going to Sweden.

Can tell some stories, f.e. in our school (I ended in 1988) one guy was excellent in German language, he won competition and was recognised as the best in Latvia in his age. As a present he got a permit to go and visit Eastern Germany. Everybody envyed him very much. But... the visit to Eastern Germany coincided with exams in Academy of Arts where he wanted to study. And in these times - if you did not enter the highschool after completion of school, you were drawn in Soviet Army with high chances to die in Afghanistan or just from beating of fellow "comrades".

Without much thinking he decided to go to Eastern Germany - he missed his highschool and had to spend 2 years in humiliating conditions in Soviet Army for this. But he was happy about his decision then.

Such luxury as visit to Western Germany was beyond the wildest dreams.
Glad to see that Eastern Europe is a part of the open, global economy now. Your children will see the world as boundless, and even space too.
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Old November 26th, 2007, 12:41 PM   #38
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We(Bulgaria) are looking forward to join Schengen in 2-3 years and adopt the Euro together with Estonia,Latvia and Lithuania
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Old November 26th, 2007, 01:06 PM   #39
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I don't think you guys will adopt the Euro very soon. There are strict regulations for that.
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Old November 26th, 2007, 04:20 PM   #40
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I don't think you guys will adopt the Euro very soon. There are strict regulations for that.
Bulgaria is not so far from Euro and Shengen...
There are "only" little troubles with corruption to solve but Bulgaria made lot of efforts during the 3 last years.
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