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Old February 21st, 2008, 07:58 PM   #81
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Great for Frankfurt. frankfurt independently has the best skyline in europe
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:33 PM   #82
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@ Golden Age: This is much too pesimistic.
I understand the point that you're making, too much pessimism might become a self-fulfilling prophecy. In my opinion, however, given the situation there is little reason to be overly optimistic regarding economic growth in Frankfurt & Hesse.

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The decission about the airport is not anymore a matter of the state government (and even the socialists and the green party want the enlargement, though with some restrictions).
The SPD's aim is not to prevent the enlargement but to postpone it in every possible way (for example with night flight restrictions which no other major airport in the world has). If the SPD would create the same amount of blue collar jobs elsewhere in the meantime, I'd be less upset about this.

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The taxes raised in Frankfurt is also not the business of a future state government and they are the same high as in the other mentioned cities.
Through the Bundesrat, Ypsilanti can decide on those things federally. The Vermögenssteuer (taxing of business owners) is high on the agenda. Reforming the bogus tax system instead would make more sense to me as this helps everybody equally.

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There is not really a lot, what they can influence from their official agenda.
Politicians DO influence our lives. Look at England before and after Thatcher (or the US before and after Regan or Clinton). Koch did an ok job from 1999 to now, simply look at the budget, employment figures or econ growth, but then he's not well liked on a personal level (Al Gore was once viewed this way coincidentally and look where it brought us).

I guess I am more concerned about the signal of a former Communist party governing one of the wealthiest Länder in Germany. This has far-reaching implications because it's never happened before and not simply a little mishap. The Linke are not the Green party!

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The people didn't vote for socialists/communists because of their manifesto, they voted against the current premier cause of some of his emphases in his election campaign.
Objection! The people in Lower Saxony voted for the Linke (former Communist party) with 8% just four weeks ago and in Hamburg it will be 9%. In the East German states the Linke is the leading party with 30% beating both the conservatives and social democrats. This a definite sign.

Also, factor in the populist discussions surrounding Nokia, private equity companies (so-called "Locusts") and the German secret police hunting down tax evaders as if they were members of the mafia. There is a definite anti-capitalist wave in Germany and it will hit Hesse and Frankfurt especially bad.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:37 PM   #83
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let's enjoy the current boom that will change the skyline significantly until "it" hits us, ok?
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 12:04 AM   #84
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the skyline will be changed dramatically, in this little (bad) simulation shown are only 3 of the upcoming projects, PWC Tower, Grand Hyatt Tower and Mattäus Church Tower:

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Old February 22nd, 2008, 12:22 AM   #85
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nice, shame towers already under construction aren't in this simulation.

how about a 2008/2009 simulation with all projects for this period ?

maybe UEC 1 will be part of this cycle too ...
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 12:25 AM   #86
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i am not good enough to makle a simulation with the other towers...sorry
i guess so too, concerning Tower 1 , hehe
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 02:56 AM   #87
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in spite of having few buildings those buildings have good desgins
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 11:34 AM   #88
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i am not good enough to makle a simulation with the other towers...sorry
i guess so too, concerning Tower 1 , hehe

I hope you don't mind that I used your photo/simulation to show the 2008/2009 construction activity (what we know now)



I didn't put the palais quartier towers there, because they're mostly hidden behind other towers. also...kaiserkarree is hardly visible, because it is hidden behind towers too ... and again, UEC 1 is also hiding T185 a bit ...
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 11:39 AM   #89
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very nice
but i think ecb is higher and bigger
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Old February 29th, 2008, 10:58 PM   #90
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@ Hd and newfvgffm:

@ Golden Age: This is probably not the place to discuss this topic, and on top, I am sure that there are not too much points we both will disagree. I see the points you mention, but once again, let's discuss soemwhere else. Pls propose where....
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Old March 9th, 2008, 08:08 PM   #91
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looks like preparatory works started (soil testing) ...

we might see some renderings after the MIPIM
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Old March 9th, 2008, 08:25 PM   #92
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i'm very confident with the design
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Old March 31st, 2008, 08:08 PM   #93
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while waiting for pics of the final design (WTF does them take so long? they claimed to present renders at beginning of march..?!?) here are some renders of how the tower WILL NOT look like







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Old April 1st, 2008, 03:26 AM   #94
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what a load of shit
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Old April 1st, 2008, 07:41 PM   #95
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not that bad but i think the real design has to be better
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Old April 1st, 2008, 08:10 PM   #96
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not that bad but i think the real design has to be better
i hope so
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Old May 30th, 2008, 01:10 PM   #97
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UPDATE MAY 30TH, 2008: first preview of the project from the developer's website (vivico)




50 storeys, v shaped twin tower ... more details to be presented soon
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Old May 30th, 2008, 01:33 PM   #98
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, i like it already....looks really cool
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Old May 30th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #99
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more pics


















construction start: september 2008!
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Old May 30th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #100
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what a load of shit
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