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Old April 2nd, 2010, 01:23 PM   #761
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I know that this is Kyiv topic on this forum, but would any of you please show us or simply write down what exactly was demolished/reconstructed/added in there meanwhile? Pictures below show progress in Warsaw during last ~1.5yr.

And don't tell me that construction & reconstruction sites are not comparable. I just want to know what exactly is done from the beginning (milestones) & what is your schedule/agenda? How many people is working there at the moment? (1500+ in Warsaw every day)

100% concrete work is going to be finished in June in Warsaw.


I keep my fingers crossed for Kyiv but I can't really see how you gonna make it on time. No offence!


09.2008


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Old April 2nd, 2010, 02:09 PM   #762
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That "75% of stands" were standing there last 40 years .
i know, but they are almost done anyway

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i think that a pretty resent photo [end of March2010?] and there is no snow
there are 5 steel studs, and recently they are installing 1 per 3-4 days. the deconstruction phase is over i believe? if they planned to finish the stadium in 2010 + delay it's still possible to finish more or less one year before euro.

JeV I'm not accusing you of defeatism or smth. just believe that is doable. your opinion is different fine. Lest finish that discussion and focus on construction and timetable details that i hope Ukrainian friends will share.

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Old April 2nd, 2010, 03:20 PM   #763
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OK, explain in detail why re-construction is slower than construction because I don't get it your arguments. What takes so long?

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jacek here is arguing why stadium is built so slow why back in poland its so fast. im saying its because kiev is a reconstruction and warsaw is construction.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 04:37 PM   #764
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those pillars from the upper tier were demolished or deconstructed? my question is will they use the old ones or prefabricate/cast new ones?

btw i'm not sure if it is reconstruction per se. seems more like modernization, as the out come will be different then original and most of the old structure is left to be.

second question- the "promenade" ['not sure if thats the right name for it] - that level from which there will be access to upper tier, along with stairs, will they be made in concrete or steel? are any work done on that part?

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i think i found the answer myself
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 05:18 PM   #765
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OK, explain in detail why re-construction is slower than construction because I don't get it your arguments. What takes so long?
Because while re-construction you have to adjust to an already built structure. In most of cases it's more complicated and therefore slower than starting from zero
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 05:37 PM   #766
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btw i'm not sure if it is reconstruction per se. seems more like modernization, as the out come will be different then original and most of the old structure is left to be.
Only about 75% of second tier will be old (modernised with sandblasting technology). All the other thing will be new.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 07:22 PM   #767
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Right, I get it. So explain why the Lech Stadium in Poznan is almost ready, although it is a reconstruction? They had to adjust to an already built structure too. What is so difficult about Kyiv stadium then?

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Because while re-construction you have to adjust to an already built structure. In most of cases it's more complicated and therefore slower than starting from zero
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 11:16 PM   #768
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Right, I get it. So explain why the Lech Stadium in Poznan is almost ready, although it is a reconstruction? They had to adjust to an already built structure too. What is so difficult about Kyiv stadium then?
Poznan Municipal Stadium is completely new construction built after demolition of groundstands of an old stadium just like in Warsaw.
Guys leave that topic, you're becoming borring. The truth is, they still have plenty of time to increase the pace, a finish it on time.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 11:46 PM   #769
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Some photos from my last visit to Kyiv:



























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Old April 3rd, 2010, 12:24 AM   #770
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It's not completely new, three new stands were attached to the one already built. So the difference is that in Poznan they built 75% of the new structure, leaving 25% of the old one. In Kyiv the proportion is opposite, which IMHO should actually speed up the construction.
But you're right, let's stop the discussion on this and see what happens over next couple of months. I will keep my fingers crossed for Ukrainians .

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Poznan Municipal Stadium is completely new construction built after demolition of groundstands of an old stadium just like in Warsaw.
Guys leave that topic, you're becoming borring. The truth is, they still have plenty of time to increase the pace, a finish it on time.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 02:00 PM   #771
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The pace should speed up, afterall it's not that cold anymore.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #772
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I can see elements of the roof structure finally. That's good, hope that they will make it.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 08:59 PM   #773
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It's not completely new, three new stands were attached to the one already built. So the difference is that in Poznan they built 75% of the new structure, leaving 25% of the old one.
In Poznan stadium will be 100% new, but it has been built in phases, stand by stand (similarly to Warsaw Legia stadium). First was that small stand, then stand next to it but without the roof, and now 2 remaining stands.

In Kyiv they've started with roof construction.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #774
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Depends what you mean new. Since the first stand was there before the decision was made to build another three for EURO 2012, I consider it the old stand - as you can see it looks different to the rest of the stadium. If it was 100% new, they'd demolish the old stand to make it look similar to the other three.

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In Kyiv they've started with roof construction.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 11:49 PM   #775
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NSC "Olimpiyskyi", Kyiv

Roof's column No6 installation video from webcam No2:

1) The cranes Demag CC2800-1 and КГ-100 lift column from assembling-desk:


2) Continuation of column installation by Demag CC2800-1:


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Old April 11th, 2010, 04:19 PM   #776
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Hmmm demolition is not completed yet. They should speed up. They have not so much time left.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 05:06 PM   #777
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Demolition? What u talking about? This is Wip-tribune construction.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #778
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Over two years for it to finish, they'll easily do it IMO.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 09:55 AM   #779
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Would you paste webcams' urls? They are missing in opening post.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 10:48 PM   #780
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Here is it
http://video.untc.net/euro-2012/en/
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