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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #2141
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And motorway isn't motorway without full route lighting.
Isn't it? So what would you call these roads in Germany where on a lot of sections there are no speed limits, often with 3x3 lanes or more? Country lanes?
The only sections lid to my knowledge are very short stretches near Frankfurt Airport, Hamburg near the Elbe tunnel and A100 around Berlin. And what about autoroutes in France? They have the best motorways in Europe, but only busy sections are lid.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 06:58 PM   #2142
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Isn't it? So what would you call these roads in Germany where on a lot of sections there are no speed limits, often with 3x3 lanes or more? Country lanes?
The only sections lid to my knowledge are very short stretches near Frankfurt Airport, Hamburg near the Elbe tunnel and A100 around Berlin. And what about autoroutes in France? They have the best motorways in Europe, but only busy sections are lid.
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It's not for a one car. That's the motorway will connect 6 and 15 mln cities and 25 mln for a whole region. Its a major trunk road. And motorway isn't motorway without full route lighting.

If I'm not wrong ,most places in the world have only the most traveled or used or urban areas lid the way through the section otherwise reflector and barriers would do the job.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #2143
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so the vast majority of the US interstate network, the benchmark and most high profile network of motorways on the planet, aren't actually motorways then?

AsHalt is correct as well, there are relatively few rural freeways that are lit.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #2144
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Isn't it? So what would you call these roads in Germany where on a lot of sections there are no speed limits, often with 3x3 lanes or more? Country lanes?
The only sections lid to my knowledge are very short stretches near Frankfurt Airport, Hamburg near the Elbe tunnel and A100 around Berlin. And what about autoroutes in France? They have the best motorways in Europe, but only busy sections are lid.
Germany can't afford the leccy to run the lights, while there is plenty of energy in Russia
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Old December 6th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #2145
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Building a lit motorway will get you a bigger otkat

that's something that the rest of the world keeps forgetting...
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Old December 7th, 2014, 02:41 AM   #2146
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Um, "otkat"?
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Old December 7th, 2014, 03:35 AM   #2147
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Absurd thing to say.
There are also a lot of absurdists who say that expressways aren't expressways if they have pedestrian crossways in deep rural areas.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 06:26 AM   #2148
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... Because they aren't. The definition of a motorway is that it is access limited, accessible only by cars from on and off ramps. Pedestrians, or any other form of transport for that matter, cannot cross the road unless it is on a grade separated bridge structure.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 07:08 AM   #2149
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There are also a lot of absurdists who say that expressways aren't expressways if they have pedestrian crossways in deep rural areas.
Nobody has said that you are a absurdist, so I couldn't comment on that. But there are expressways with traffic lights and pedestrian crossings. They are still expressways though. Here is one in Belgium, the N49/E34. It's not even in a deep rural area...
This part of the world we may see our motorways a little different than in Russia, but then again we also got decades of more experience in dealing with them and naming them. But if they're ever going to build a motorway from St Petersburg to Vladifrigginvostok I will expect them to be without TOTSOS, roundabouts, traffic light but street lighting all the way. Good luck wih that...
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Old December 7th, 2014, 11:12 AM   #2150
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Um, "otkat"?
A kickback as a form of bribery.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 11:20 AM   #2151
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Um, "otkat"?
Otkat is like a tip in a restaurant only with larger sums. I think usually adittional 20% go to the so called Mr 20. In other words - corruption, pumping out as much state money for yourself as you can.
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Nobody has said that you are a absurdist, so I couldn't comment on that. But there are expressways with traffic lights and pedestrian crossings. They are still expressways though. Here is one in Belgium, the N49/E34. It's not even in a deep rural area...
This part of the world we may see our motorways a little different than in Russia, but then again we also got decades of more experience in dealing with them and naming them. But if they're ever going to build a motorway from St Petersburg to Vladifrigginvostok I will expect them to be without TOTSOS, roundabouts, traffic light but street lighting all the way. Good luck wih that...
Actually they are planning to build by (2030?) a full motorway through Ufa and Chelyabinsk to Kazakhstan and connect all the major cities (excluding east of Omsk) to full motorway standard. The Kazakh government is already building the "Europe-China"-motorway. And China builds motorways in the middle of the desert So basically in 20 years you could drive constantly on motorway from Turku (Finland) to Shanghai.

Btw, Spain has also Autovias with roundabouts; I wouldn't see an U-turn in the middle of a desert a catastrophe. Pedestrian crossing instead should not be allowed!
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Old December 7th, 2014, 03:51 PM   #2153
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The western business newspapers inform us that Russia is either already in recession or very close to it. What is the Russian government's policy re: road construction spending in these days - does the government stop the spending or in the contrary, the government accelerates / increases the spending ?
Well, I'd see it as kinda of a "New Deal"-policy. It worked excellently in Finland in the 1990's.
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So basically in 20 years you could drive constantly on motorway from Turku (Finland) to Shanghai.
Provided the lights are on.

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Btw, Spain has also Autovias with roundabouts; I wouldn't see an U-turn in the middle of a desert a catastrophe. Pedestrian crossing instead should not be allowed!
Apparently Brazil systematically has u-turns. But it's an actual ramp that leaves the roadway, crosses over it, and comes back to the opposite roadway (plenty of pics in the Brazilian thread if that's not clear...look for the "retorno" signs.) So they don't interrupt the flow of traffic.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 05:49 PM   #2155
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Apparently Brazil systematically has u-turns. But it's an actual ramp that leaves the roadway, crosses over it, and comes back to the opposite roadway (plenty of pics in the Brazilian thread if that's not clear...look for the "retorno" signs.) So they don't interrupt the flow of traffic.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build the opposite direction roadways far enough that you can build single level U-turns that don't interrupt the flow of traffic?
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Well left turn-ban in Europe on motorways is stupid. In the US for example it's completely normal where it's required.
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not really, it is just lots of US states built roads when they thought those things were OK Slowly they break them up and make an overpass from the right side.

it isn't so bad when no traffic is there but it sucks if there is a lot of traffic, you get slow traffic and fast traffic all mixed together.
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Well left turn-ban in Europe on motorways is stupid. In the US for example it's completely normal where it's required.
I can't think of a public U-turn like the one in Briedis...'s post on an Interstate or other freeway. (Yes, I'm sure someone will find one and prove me wrong....) There are plenty of them on '40s-vintage non-limited-access divided highways in New Jersey.

Note that "public," though. There are U-turns "for official use" here and there...I used one once (illegally) to get out of a long construction-caused backup on I-80 in Pennsylvania. (Why PennDOT thought roadwork on a nice Sunday afternoon in June was a good idea, I don't know.)
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not really, it is just lots of US states built roads when they thought those things were OK Slowly they break them up and make an overpass from the right side.

it isn't so bad when no traffic is there but it sucks if there is a lot of traffic, you get slow traffic and fast traffic all mixed together.
Theoretically the drivers could speed up when changing lanes to the left and slow down only on the braking lane which wouldn't really disturb anything, IMO. But yes this was thought only for roads with not that much traffic. You should make proper intersections where it's much.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #2160
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Well left turn-ban in Europe on motorways is stupid. In the US for example it's completely normal where it's required.
I think there is one on Kehä I, although it isn't a motorway, left turn looks unexpected and may confuse the drivers.
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