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Old December 7th, 2014, 09:05 PM   #2161
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Few tens of junctions have been upgraded/built from the scratch on MKAD recently
Photos and schemas - http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/55840/
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Old December 7th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #2162
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Actual construction has started on M-10 "Scandinavia", the roads that goes from St-Petersburg till Finnish border.
The stretch is 47-65 km, 6 lines.
Price is 11312951389 rub, completion time is 58 month
http://spb-projects.ru/forum/viewtop...=asc&start=105
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Old December 7th, 2014, 11:32 PM   #2163
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are there any plans to widen the MKAD at any point?
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Old December 7th, 2014, 11:44 PM   #2164
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Actual construction has started on M-10 "Scandinavia", the roads that goes from St-Petersburg till Finnish border.
The stretch is 47-65 km, 6 lines.
Price is 11312951389 rub, completion time is 58 month
http://spb-projects.ru/forum/viewtop...=asc&start=105
Will they build a motorway from Helsinki to border as well? Traffic is quite busy between St Petersburg and stockman department store...
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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #2165
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Will they build a motorway from Helsinki to border as well? Traffic is quite busy between St Petersburg and stockman department store...
Yes, 2x3 till Vyborg, 2x2 till Finnish border. Original planes were to finish one by 2020, but they decided to speed up and finish by 2018.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:27 AM   #2166
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are there any plans to widen the MKAD at any point?
Yeah, or upgrade it! I have been wondering about this a long time. Junctions are good on major roads nowadays, but _Why they don't build acceleration lanes at least on the main junctions!_ And quit the accesses to private properties, dumpsters etc. There are nearby roads on the sides of a motorway for that.

About "Scandinavia", the Finnish section Hamina-border will start in late 2015 and will also be ready by 2018. If Russian and Kazakh plans turn into reality, you could drive on a motorway between Turku and Shanghai!
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Old December 8th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #2167
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I think there is one on Kehä I, although it isn't a motorway, left turn looks unexpected and may confuse the drivers.
That junction, though pretty cool one, was built with a low budget in the 1990's recession; it can be seen in very sharp exits and compact ramps. The huge one with E75 was built in the 1960's when they thought Kehä I will be just a street, and acceleration lanes are really long nowadays and they alert you 1 km before the junction about this. And this works well with:

a) 80 000-120 000/50 000-90 000 ADT motorway junction
b) 70 000-100 000/50 000-90 000 ADT motorway junction

The only problems on these are capacity.

There's also one huge and stylish half-stack on Itäväylä back from 1967 or so, which was meant (and is still) to be a connection with a major road that would lead to Kehä I as a shortcut, but atm leads just to a little local road. Still, the section is about 50 000 ADT both sides but works perfectly.

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Old December 8th, 2014, 01:14 AM   #2168
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About "Scandinavia", the Finnish section Hamina-border will start in late 2015 and will also be ready by 2018. If Russian and Kazakh plans turn into reality, you could drive on a motorway between Turku and Shanghai!
But you cannot use your regular driver's license in China.
In any case year 2018 should be the great year in Russian road construction history, lot of projects should be finished by 2018, e.g. you can reach Black Sea region just by using motorways, and that is 2500-3000km from Turku
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Old December 8th, 2014, 01:18 AM   #2169
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Anyways, tell me someone please why ain't no acceleration lanes on MKAD and the road itself is not being upgraded!
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In any case year 2018 should be the great year in Russian road construction history, lot of projects should be finished by 2018
Like Poland and Ukraine in 2012...........
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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:36 PM   #2171
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Actual construction has started on M-10 "Scandinavia", the roads that goes from St-Petersburg till Finnish border.
The stretch is 47-65 km, 6 lines.
Price is 11312951389 rub, completion time is 58 month
http://spb-projects.ru/forum/viewtop...=asc&start=105
If I got it right, it's the section from Ogonki to Beloostrov. Your source was posted in July 2014, 58 months would mean it should be completed in May 2018!? When have the works really began, November/December 2014 (because you've posted it now)? Is there any project page?

M10: Ogonki – Beloostrov 12 18km (2014 to May 2018) – ? – map
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Old December 8th, 2014, 02:55 PM   #2172
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About "Scandinavia", the Finnish section Hamina-border will start in late 2015 and will also be ready by 2018. If Russian and Kazakh plans turn into reality, you could drive on a motorway between Turku and Shanghai!
Are there plans to build a motorway along M1 to the Belarus border? If yes, then I would be able to drive from my hometown all the way to Shanghai without ever leaving a motorway!
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Are there plans to build a motorway along M1 to the Belarus border? If yes, then I would be able to drive from my hometown all the way to Shanghai without ever leaving a motorway!
...and Warsaw - Brest...
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Old December 8th, 2014, 03:32 PM   #2174
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If I got it right, it's the section from Ogonki to Beloostrov. Your source was posted in July 2014, 58 months would mean it should be completed in May 2018!? When have the works really began, November/December 2014 (because you've posted it now)? Is there any project page?

M10: Ogonki – Beloostrov 12 18km (2014 to May 2018) – ? – map
They announced the bid winner on 28.11.2014.
It probably should be opened early than 58 months (which might be the last deadline, not sure what contract says)
There were user's reports that they started to cut off forest from 1st of December, expecting a lot of people's complains because of that.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #2175
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But could anyone answer to my question? Why is Europe's busiestt road MKAD in so poor conditions? Junctions on major roads are good on major roads, but even on these MKAD haven't got acceleration lanes! And it has accesses to privat property, dumpsters, fields...]
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But could anyone answer to my question? Why is Europe's busiestt road MKAD in so poor conditions? Junctions on major roads are good on major roads, but even on these MKAD haven't got acceleration lanes! And it has accesses to privat property, dumpsters, fields...]
Why are you so concerned by acceleration lanes? They will be improved BTW at all the junctions that are under renovation now (total 12) http://www.gazeta.ru/auto/news/2014/..._6631141.shtml

What kind of MKAD upgrade do you expect? It is 2x5 already and make it wider doesn't make sense, because even now traffic jams are not on MKAD itself, but on interspersion with other roads.
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But could anyone answer to my question? Why is Europe's busiestt road MKAD in so poor conditions? Junctions on major roads are good on major roads, but even on these MKAD haven't got acceleration lanes! And it has accesses to privat property, dumpsters, fields...]
It's an urban motorway. Not a rural one. And it's only has a status of city street.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #2178
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Why are you so concerned by acceleration lanes? They will be improved BTW at all the junctions that are under renovation now (total 12) http://www.gazeta.ru/auto/news/2014/..._6631141.shtml

What kind of MKAD upgrade do you expect? It is 2x5 already and make it wider doesn't make sense, because even now traffic jams are not on MKAD itself, but on interspersion with other roads.
Well collector lanes for gas stations etc will be good. Europe's busiest road. No lane for joining it for example from, let's say, St, Petersburg! The lack of acceleration lanes and the number of junctions + very poor solutions on safety makes horrible rushes and accidents, Why not 3+5+5+3? Gas stations and pig farms get their own accesses if it is necessary (normally it should have a street along it for this) and main direction flow much more easily on the central 5+5, of course with acceleration lanes. Maybe 3+6+6+3.

Btw, it's widely considered the busiest road in Europe (and it's category is motorway, not street; first of it's kind in Russia), but what is it ADT count? Around 300 000?

Look at M-30 Western section's solutions and upgrades in Madrid; M-30 is officially a city street (in reality a high-quality freeway, ADT 300,000 but I still believe that MKAD beats it.

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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #2179
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Look at M-30 solutions and upgrades in Madrid; M-30 is officially a city street.
M-30 is a motorway, maintained by the city.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 10:26 PM   #2180
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One of greatest road projects in Russia, Western High Speed Diameter that goes through high density areas of St.Petersburg, central part is still u/c








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