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Old January 11th, 2015, 07:59 PM   #2221
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notice: There are plenty of places on the internet where you can discuss LGBT rights in Russia, but this thread is about road infrastructure in Russia. Keep it relevant and civilized. Thank you.
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Old January 30th, 2015, 10:12 PM   #2222
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News about Kerch bridge.

There will be two bridges built instead of one, which was previously planned on the narrowest place in the strait. The route will go through Tuzla island. The new connection will feature 4 lanes, 2 per direction and a railway line underneath the road. Exact construction start date hasn't been announced, for now the completion date is known, which is December, 2018. Works will be done by "Stroygazmontazh". Estimate costs ~2,7 bio EUR. Estimate AADT for the crossing = 10 000 vehicles.

I made a scheme of the project, together with both bridge length:

Link to GM: http://goo.gl/maps/Hh4BQ
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Old January 31st, 2015, 01:04 AM   #2223
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Whether the authorities of Ukraine expressed their consent?
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Old January 31st, 2015, 01:06 AM   #2224
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Yes, of course.
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Old January 31st, 2015, 01:15 AM   #2225
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I'm amused that road and rail bridge will be built by company called "gas system assembler"
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Old January 31st, 2015, 04:36 PM   #2226
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This is one of the largest construction companies in Russia, employing over 25 thousand people IIRC. And its owner is already under sanctions so the choice wasn't hard.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 12:52 AM   #2227
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Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills necessary to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait. It is simply naive and ridiculuos to believe that a country that is not able to provide a fast and efficient ferry transport across the Strait (last summer people had to wait several days to take a ferry to/from Crimea !) will manage to construct such a challenging bridge.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 02:38 AM   #2228
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Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills necessary to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait. It is simply naive and ridiculuos to believe that a country that is not able to provide a fast and efficient ferry transport across the Strait (last summer people had to wait several days to take a ferry to/from Crimea !) will manage to construct such a challenging bridge.
I dont think they lack it, just look at Peter or Vladivostok, but if they do, they would just hire the Chinese.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 03:49 AM   #2229
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Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills necessary to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait. It is simply naive and ridiculuos to believe that a country that is not able to provide a fast and efficient ferry transport across the Strait (last summer people had to wait several days to take a ferry to/from Crimea !) will manage to construct such a challenging bridge.
Very similar bridges for what's needed at Kerch strait.

https://www.google.es/maps/@54.36217...nFUw!2e0?hl=es
https://www.google.es/maps/@43.22534...G4NA!2e0?hl=es
https://www.google.se/maps/@55.37644...iYpOosl2kQ!2e0
Also, like Surel mentioned, for example the bridge to Russky island on vladivostok is the world's longest cable-stayed bridge, with a 1104 m long central span.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 04:04 AM   #2230
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Yes, of course.
considering Crimea is now Russian controlled, this looks like more of an effort to prove control over the newly annexed territory. Russia has more of a claim to Crimea if it is connected to the "mainland" by a fixed link.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 09:48 AM   #2231
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I dont think they lack it, just look at Peter or Vladivostok, but if they do, they would just hire the Chinese.
Chinese aren't interested in this project, quite possible that companies from Turkey might help.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 03:40 PM   #2232
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I dont think they lack it, just look at Peter or Vladivostok, but if they do, they would just hire the Chinese.
Back in the 1950s it were the Soviet experts that built the first major bridges in China.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 04:22 PM   #2233
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Back in the 1950s it were the Soviet experts that built the first major bridges in China.
Yeah, China changed a lot.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 08:55 PM   #2234
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The pictures posted here show very substandard highways. Given Russia's weather-related challenges I would have expected more full motorways. On the upside, the number of lanes makes them interesting.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 10:34 PM   #2235
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Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills necessary to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait. It is simply naive and ridiculuos to believe that a country that is not able to provide a fast and efficient ferry transport across the Strait (last summer people had to wait several days to take a ferry to/from Crimea !) will manage to construct such a challenging bridge.
In fact money is not a big problem, the project has the highest priority. Russia also has a great experience in construction of unique structures.
The ferry is nоt not designed for such a great demand. There are infrastructural limitations. Crimean side can serve only two ferries at a time. Another problem is that the strait is swallow.The longest queues for the ferry were caused by bad weather when the ferry couldn't work for several days.
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 11:50 AM   #2236
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And what about sailing between Black and Azov seas?
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 01:33 PM   #2237
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Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills necessary to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait. It is simply naive and ridiculuos to believe that a country that is not able to provide a fast and efficient ferry transport across the Strait (last summer people had to wait several days to take a ferry to/from Crimea !) will manage to construct such a challenging bridge.
Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills?
Is that what they tell you in polish media?

If there is a country that has all this, than it's Russia. Here in Germany they they can't build an airport in 15 years or the need 10 years to build a philharmony.
Don't worry, if they say the will build the bridge over the starit till end of 2018, than they will do so and it will be good.
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 10:18 PM   #2238
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Off course that Russia will build this bridge by 2018. That is the difference between a democracy and a non-democracy - in a democratic country no one would spend 2.7 bln Eur (the final cost will be higher) to build a bridge for AADT od 10,000 cars.
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Off course that Russia will build this bridge by 2018. That is the difference between a democracy and a non-democracy - in a democratic country no one would spend 2.7 bln Eur (the final cost will be higher) to build a bridge for AADT od 10,000 cars.
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With such connections, the exact traffic volumes don't matter as much as with conventional road projects. It makes a connection that was previously not possible. The same reason why Norway spends so much money on building bridges and tunnels to islands with a population of a few hundred.

By the way the Øresund Bridge between Denmark and Sweden has cost € 4 billion (2000 prices) and also attracted only around 10,000 vehicles per day in the first couple of years. Traffic is still not very dense today with 19,000 vehicles per day.
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