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Old February 3rd, 2015, 11:11 PM   #2241
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Here in Germany they they can't build an airport in 15 years or the need 10 years to build a philharmony.
Here in Europe there are such things as environmental impact assessments, public consultations, construction permits, expenditure control, public tenders etc etc. In Russia if the tsar says that he wants something to be built, it simply gets built.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 12:20 AM   #2242
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This bridge probably will get build much faster than other similarly sized projects would.

First, it doesn't look especially challenging from the technological point of view.

Second, money won't be an object as for Russia this bridge has strategic and political priority, nobody will count the pennies here.

Third, as someone already mentioned, there are far fewer environmental and other requirements, permits and restriction in Russia than in Europe or the US.
In the west it is the bureaucracy which makes such projects last sometimes for decades.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 03:05 AM   #2243
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Third, as someone already mentioned, there are far fewer environmental and other requirements, permits and restriction in Russia than in Europe or the US.
In the west it is the bureaucracy which makes such projects last sometimes for decades.
Well, that's really pity than until now Russia hasn't got a comprehensive and good motorways/expressway network, and lack decent roads at all. I would add, quite incomprehensible .

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Old February 4th, 2015, 03:42 AM   #2244
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Well it has quite high lenght per capita.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 05:20 AM   #2245
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Off course that Russia will build this bridge by 2018. That is the difference between a democracy and a non-democracy - in a democratic country no one would spend 2.7 bln Eur (the final cost will be higher) to build a bridge for AADT od 10,000 cars.
Canada is approaching a similar situation though at the Detroit-Windsor International... Crossing is it?
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Old February 4th, 2015, 06:59 AM   #2246
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It'd be a border crossing, yes. A famous one as well, just like the Rhine-bridge between Kehl and Strasbourg, because it's a crossing over a river that divides two nations but is in fact one metropolitan area
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Old February 4th, 2015, 08:27 AM   #2247
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Well, that's really pity than until now Russia hasn't got a comprehensive and good motorways/expressway network, and lack decent roads at all. I would add, quite incomprehensible .
Roads in Russia have been significantly improved in recent years, many big projects are still ongoing, besides you are overestimating Putin to speed up the things. Currently, state road funds are often not fully used, because of slow preparation/projecting/planning
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Old February 4th, 2015, 08:51 AM   #2248
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It'd be a border crossing, yes. A famous one as well, just like the Rhine-bridge between Kehl and Strasbourg, because it's a crossing over a river that divides two nations but is in fact one metropolitan area
The Detroit - Windsor bridge?

The current bridge is almost 100 years old at this point and needs replacing, and the lack of connection to a motorway on the Canadian side proves troublesome. It gets around 25,000 daily trips over it as well, its one of the busier border crossings on the planet from my understanding. Certainly the busiest between Canada and the US. The new bridge will provide a direct motorway connection on the Canadian side, and allow for a higher volume of crossers with large border security checkpoints and having the bridge be 6 lanes wide instead of 4.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 10:35 AM   #2249
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In the west it is the bureaucracy which makes such projects last sometimes for decades.
Yep, prior to 2008 the Netherlands was in a virtual lockdown concerning any type of road project. Environmental legislation had so little flexibility most projects were shot down by the courts. They changed that after another high-profile fiasco (a very urgent widening was annulled by the court again). Now we have environmentally sound projects that allow significant expansion of motorways. Right now funding is the limit, not environmental laws.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 12:56 PM   #2250
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Here in Europe there are such things as environmental impact assessments, public consultations, construction permits, expenditure control, public tenders etc etc. In Russia if the tsar says that he wants something to be built, it simply gets built.
It has nothing to do with such things, that the BER and the Elbphilhamonie still aren't finished. He wrote, that Russia has a lack of engeneering and experience, and that's not the fact, that's what I wanted to make clear. Here in Germany (and we are thinking, that we are a country of engeneers ) we have sometimes a much bigger lack of engeneering and experience than other countries. And a lack of money? That shoulden't also be a big problem for Russia.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #2251
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Old February 4th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #2252
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The Minister of transport of the Republic of Crimea Anatoly Churkin stated that the building of the "Tavrida" between Kerch and Sevastopol will begin in 2015.

It is necessary to develop the transport network of the Crimea, for her to be able to withstand road traffic, which is projected to increase then repeatedly due to the commissioning of the Kerch bridge . At the moment the main traffic load takes the route Kerch, Simferopol, however, local government has announced plans to build a new road to bypass Feodosia.

Partially track "Tavrida", referred to, will coincide with the already built roads. It will be a four-lane and correspond to the I category. On the construction of the tracks on the route Kerch - Feodosiya - Belogorsk - Simferopol - Bakhchisaray - Sevastopol, in the budget allocated to 15.7 billion, of which 2.7 billion in the current year.

During road construction works are encouraged to use innovative Dutch technology cold recycling, in which instead of gravel is proposed to use ground soil.
http://estp-blog.ru/news/nid-8225/
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Old February 4th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #2253
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There is something I am wondering about. Why don't they build something with more clearance. Is there no need for big ships traffic there? Kerch is 18 m deep. I am not sure what is the capacity of Don though and the bridges there.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 07:21 PM   #2254
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There is something I am wondering about. Why don't they build something with more clearance. Is there no need for big ships traffic there? Kerch is 18 m deep. I am not sure what is the capacity of Don though and the bridges there.
I haven't seen approved project so far.
The idea of bridge construction already exists for many years, many documents have been signed with Ukraine since that, the last one Jan 2014 with Yanukovitch.
This time the bridge will be surely built, simply because connecting Crimea with mainland is the top state priority project and a matter of well being of the Crimean residents.
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Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills
never heard such idiocy
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Old February 4th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #2256
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The first thing (lack of money) is somewhat true at the moment, with Russia feeling the strain of low global oil prices (given that oil wealth is Russia's key money maker). However this scheme is so politically important, I can't see the money not being found for it.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 05:33 PM   #2257
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Russia lacks money, experience and engineering skills necessary to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait. It is simply naive and ridiculuos to believe that a country that is not able to provide a fast and efficient ferry transport across the Strait (last summer people had to wait several days to take a ferry to/from Crimea !) will manage to construct such a challenging bridge.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 10:07 PM   #2258
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Motorway between USA and Russia
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Old February 5th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #2259
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Crazy years 1950's-1960's, back then they thought we will all have flying cars by year 2000 .

I know that there was a plan to build a railway line on the Bering Strait, but it's unlikely to happen in the long run, because of political matters.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 11:30 PM   #2260
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This motorway will never be constructed .
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