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Old February 5th, 2015, 11:51 PM   #2261
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Crazy years 1950's-1960's, back then they thought we will all have flying cars by year 2000 .

I know that there was a plan to build a railway line on the Bering Strait, but it's unlikely to happen in the long run, because of political matters.
Not just political but mostly tecnical. Bering strait is almost 100 km wide. And on both shores there's basically nothing in term of population and infrastructures, with the closest major cities, Anchorage and Magadan being thousands of km away. On the Russian side there are no railways north of the BAM (parallel north to the Trans-Siberian) and only a dirt, barely passable road to Magadan. On the American side, there are no rail connections between Alaska and Canada\Contiguous US 48 states and Alaska has no roads either west of Ancorage\Fairbanks. The tunnel, besides being extremely challenging (twice the longest existing rail tunnel and 4 times the longest existing road tunnel) will require thousands of km of new roads and railway, build over an extremely hostile terrain (permafrost) and far away from civilization. Traffic will be extremely low, because an overland trip from Vancouer to Beijng will require weeks, making flying the only practical alternative (or cargo ships, for bulky goods not time-sensitive). Costs won't be justified by benefits.
Relations between USA and Russia were better than now in the period between the perestrojka and the Georgian crisis, but I dont think that such a project had ever been seriously considered.
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Old February 6th, 2015, 12:21 AM   #2262
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Relation between "the West" and Russia were definitely better also for more than 20 years.

For the crossing they are 2 islands that may be used to shorten the 110 km long tunnels/bridges and for emergency uses:


By the way, there is an interesting description of the proposed crossing on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_...ng#cite_note-3

In fact, Russia has already approved 3 years ago a 100 bln. USD funding for building a railway line, that I hope will be available for cars/trucks as well (like in the English Channel), or like in the Oresund straight: part tunnel, part bridge, for cars and for railway - if it's ever being built: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...it-tunnel.html
http://travel.aol.co.uk/2011/08/23/l...-stait-scheme/

And it would be a really technical challenge for engineers!

Where is this now? I believe that political issues have reported it for another long term.

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Old February 6th, 2015, 12:49 AM   #2263
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This motorway will never be constructed .
Well, this tunnel will become necessary when Russia annexes Crimea Alaska
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Old February 6th, 2015, 12:56 AM   #2264
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Well, this tunnel will become necessary when Russia annexes Crimea Alaska
Russia sold Alaska to the USA in 1867, after being ruined with the Crimean War .
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Old February 6th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #2265
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Russia sold Alaska to the USA in 1867, after being ruined with the Crimean War .
Few days after the Crimean referendum a satyrical website proposed an online petition for the annexation of Alaska to Russia.

About the Diomede islands, one is Russian, the other American. They're only 3 km apart but the International Date Line runs between them, so going from an island to the other means going a day backward or forward.
In 1987 the American athlet Lynne Cox swimmed between the two islands, as a gesture for international peace.


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Old February 6th, 2015, 02:25 AM   #2266
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Crazy years 1950's-1960's, back then they thought we will all have flying cars by year 2000 .
Whereas everyone knows that we'll be flying them in October. The inventor of the Flux Capacitor went and visited 2015 and returned to 1985 and told us!

We won't need roads, and so the Bering Strait tunnel will never happen as we'd just take off. As you can see from this picture, there will be transatlantic travel. These green vehicles are fusion powered and run on small amounts of garbage.


More seriously, though still on the flying car tangent, the time frame shrunk to 'within 30 years' by the mid-80s, though really (as in the 50s and 60s too) it seems to be a 'this is cool' thing that almost became shorthand for 'future' along with laser blasters, holograms, fusion power and sliding doors.
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Old February 6th, 2015, 03:35 AM   #2267
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Motorway between USA and Russia
Senator Magnuson is more commonly remembered for his involvement with the "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act" that still regulates warranties on cars and other items in the USA
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 01:22 PM   #2268
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Third ring expressway at downtown Moscow.





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Old March 22nd, 2015, 06:56 PM   #2269
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What motorways / expressways / tunnels projects are suspended / cancelled / postponed by recent Russian budget's cuts?
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Old March 26th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #2270
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Panoramas of the central and final part of the ZSD project in St. Petersburg
http://panoworld.ru/catalogue/catalogue_192.html
http://panoworld.ru/catalogue/catalogue_196.html
http://airphoto.ru/pano/zsd/pano.html

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Old April 3rd, 2015, 08:22 PM   #2271
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What motorways / expressways / tunnels projects are suspended / cancelled / postponed by recent Russian budget's cuts?
I have bad english, sorry. I am from Russia. I am neutral to the ruling, more opposition. I think it is too early yet to cancel the project, because oil is above 50$, and rewrote the budget and costs 50$. Yes, and gas sold yet. Ironically, other sources of finance have increased. Even in Poland began to buy more products from Russia.

http://www.rmf24.pl/ekonomia/news-ku...ow,nId,1704895

http://tvn24bis.pl/ze-swiata,75/kons...ry,526000.html

Demand for Russian goods increased due to lower prices on the difference in exchange rates. The company I work for, is unable to cope with the increased demand. LOL. No one could think about it.

I know that badly damaged the expected energy consumption, so nuclear power plants under construction are in abundance in the future. However, so far none have been canceled and is under construction.

Near the city of Ufa highway construction continues normally.

I do not know what's happening in other areas.
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Old April 8th, 2015, 04:21 PM   #2272
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I was driving recently there at 3am and saw 20-30 units of construction equipment working, so construction pace is good.

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Old April 8th, 2015, 08:34 PM   #2273
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I was driving recently there at 3am and saw 20-30 units of construction equipment working, so construction pace is good.
I think only one short section is currently u/c, isn't it?

M10: Ogonki – Beloostrov 18km (December 2014 to May 2018) – ? – map

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Actual construction has started on M-10 "Scandinavia", the roads that goes from St-Petersburg till Finnish border.
The stretch is 47-65 km, 6 lines.
Price is 11312951389 rub, completion time is 58 month
http://spb-projects.ru/forum/viewtop...=asc&start=105
Are there already more sections u/c?
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Old April 9th, 2015, 08:11 AM   #2274
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I think only one short section is currently u/c, isn't it?

M10: Ogonki – Beloostrov 18km (December 2014 to May 2018) – ? – map



Are there already more sections u/c?
Just this first one, 47-65km.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 02:47 PM   #2275
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This is the Mannerheim highway, right?

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This is the Mannerheim highway, right?

Was build from the scratch and opened in the beginning of 1990s.
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Was supposed to be a joke. I know it's new... forget it.
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Old April 10th, 2015, 04:05 PM   #2278
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As this road will be a dual carriageway with motorway standards, why don't they assign it as part of the M11?
(An extension of it, perhaps?)
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Old April 10th, 2015, 04:31 PM   #2279
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As this road will be a dual carriageway with motorway standards, why don't they assign it as part of the M11?
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According to Russian Wikipedia (link), M roads links only to Moscow. A roads links between other important centers.

Scandinavia highway (with ZSD) will not have direct connection (only via S.-Peterburg bypass) with M11, so I think that's why M11 won't be expanded to Finnish border. And I think that ZSD is more like city street or something like that, but with avtomagistral' standard.
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According to Russian Wikipedia (link), M roads links only to Moscow. A roads links between other important centers.

Scandinavia highway (with ZSD) will not have direct connection (only via S.-Peterburg bypass) with M11, so I think that's why M11 won't be expanded to Finnish border. And I think that ZSD is more like city street or something like that, but with avtomagistral' standard.
Oh, i see.....allright then
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