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Old September 12th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #2381
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technically it's not a 'motorway', right?
technically it is. officially not.
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Old September 12th, 2015, 07:05 PM   #2382
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No, there are grade-separated interchanges, but also there are some u-turns in the same level, like this: https://www.google.ru/maps/@60.24892.../data=!3m1!1e3
I am not sure, but I think there are some other compromises which cannot allow this road to be a proper motorway. It has blue signs and speed limit of 90 km/h which means that traffic police was not able to assign it a motorway status.
u turns and pedestrian crossing are possible exceptions for rural motorways. some call them expressways. but as it has lighting on all its way - it's technically motorway.
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Old September 12th, 2015, 07:22 PM   #2383
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u turns and pedestrian crossing are possible exceptions for rural motorways. some call them expressways. but as it has lighting on all its way - it's technically motorway.
Well, it's a question of terminology. And of legal status - legally at the moment it's just a dual carriageway. Tractors are allowed, speed limit is low. Also, there are other small things (like lack of exit/enter lanes of proper length for some exits) that may be allowed in some countries or cases, but prevents this road from getting motorway status.

And as far as I know this road has not lighting for all of its length - only for some small parts like bridges and interchanges.

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Old September 12th, 2015, 09:21 PM   #2384
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There is a distinction between legally defined as a motorway and constructively built as a motorway. Some roads are built to motorway standards but are not legally defined as such for various reasons.

Throughout Europe there are many expressways that have full control of access, i.e. only through interchanges and no driveway access. For instance the French voie express or Austrian Schnellstra▀e. They are basically built as motorways with 2x2 lanes, interchanges and shoulders, but could have a lower speed limit. Sometimes the geometric design is more flexible which leads to a lower speed limit. In some countries an 'expressway' (or local equivalent) have various design standards, including divided or undivided super-two highways, like the Swiss Autostrasse or Dutch autoweg.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 01:16 AM   #2385
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There is a distinction between legally defined as a motorway and constructively built as a motorway. Some roads are built to motorway standards but are not legally defined as such for various reasons.

Throughout Europe there are many expressways that have full control of access, i.e. only through interchanges and no driveway access. For instance the French voie express or Austrian Schnellstra▀e. They are basically built as motorways with 2x2 lanes, interchanges and shoulders, but could have a lower speed limit. Sometimes the geometric design is more flexible which leads to a lower speed limit. In some countries an 'expressway' (or local equivalent) have various design standards, including divided or undivided super-two highways, like the Swiss Autostrasse or Dutch autoweg.
Finland for example has excellent motorways that are not defined as so.

Russia and for example the Baltics though have built many expressways without an alternative route for slow vehicles, so I understand why aren't many motorways there signed as so.
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Old October 3rd, 2015, 06:48 AM   #2386
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Neat video, about what is probably the most important infrastructure project for us right now

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Old October 6th, 2015, 11:21 PM   #2387
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Leningrad Region to Build Motorway Section of Europe-Western China Route

The motorway section is expected to be 486 or 433 km long depending on the route option.

The Leningrad Region is preparing to start the implementation of the Ust-Luga-Kirishi-Tikhvin motorway investment project as part of the transport link between Europe and Western China, the press service of the Leningrad Region's government reported.
Full report: http://sputniknews.com/russia/201510...y-project.html

Are there more details about this motorway? Ust-Luga - Tikhvin is about 290 km in a direct line.

I did find this in the Goog.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 01:46 PM   #2388
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Pskov-Tallinn-road should absolutely be rebuilt like now!

That purple wide road is KAD 2 I guess... Any time for it's works to begin? :P
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Old October 7th, 2015, 01:58 PM   #2389
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Sunday, October 4, a solemn ceremony of commissioning of the sites for reconstruction and 40-52 km 0-16 km a/d A-180 "Narva" ľ the entrance to the commercial seaport of Ust-Luga.

The event was also attended by Vice-Governor of Leningrad region for construction, Mikhail Moskvin, the management and staff of PKU "Sevzapupravtodor", representatives of contractor organizations.



The existing entrance to the Northern areas of port nor on the technical parameters or the configuration could not provide a full-fledged transport communication trade sea port "Ust-Luga" with consumers. Mainly the goods are delivered outside the Leningrad region in the Central regions of Russia, which dictated the need for a new communication port under construction with the main network of Federal highways and the reconstruction was done And the road-180 "Narva" at the site of the entrance to the port of Ust-Luga strategic objective transport construction.

Roman Starovoit said that "sea port of Ust-Luga now acquires strategic importance. In 2012 he was included in the list of investment projects of the North-West. And today, when there is a reorientation of the consignees and shippers in the ports of the Russian Federation, without railway transportation, without modern, high-quality and safe roads the development of the port impossible. Therefore, all plans to ensure transport accessibility of the port of Ust-Luga of the Leningrad region Government, the Ministry of transport of the Russian Federation in sync. This road demanded".

In 2014 was opened to traffic at road junction to a\d A-180 "Narva" and entrance to the plot km 16-40 ICC "Ust-Luga", and exactly one year later, ready-to-use sections km 0-16 km and 40-52. In 2016 PKU "Sevzapupravtodor" plans to complete the second and third phase of the reconstruction of route 44 to 52 kilometers.

After the reconstruction, these regions acquire characteristics of the road, as part of the work includes reconstruction of interchanges, overpasses, bridge structures, the device rail and road approaches providing operation of the port terminals. The width of the carriageway on sections after the reconstruction is 7.5 meters, and for safety there are over 200 traffic signs, delineators, guard rails and markings in accordance with the parameters of the road section.

The event was inspected object, the presentation of honorary certificates of appreciation to employees who participated in the project. From among the workers PKU "Sevzapupravtodor" in gratitude for his contribution to the development of the road sector letters of thanks of the Federal road Agency has awarded a leading expert road management division road constructions Pavel Valenkevych and Deputy chief of chief power engineer Department Sofya Polyakov. Vice-Governor of Leningrad region Mikhail Moskvin also noted the achievements of workers PKU "Sevzapupravtodor" and was awarded the Honorary diploma of the Governor of Leningrad region technician of the first category of Department financially-technical providing Hope Alekseev.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 09:04 PM   #2390
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Pskov-Tallinn-road should absolutely be rebuilt like now!
Do you mean St. Petersburg - Tallinn?

If so, there isn't much point, the AADT is very low, at least on the Estonian side.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 05:49 AM   #2391
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Do you mean St. Petersburg - Tallinn?
I'm guessing he meant Pskov - Riga. A short section passes through southern Estonia.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 08:18 AM   #2392
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My point still remains. That road has the lowest AADT of any main road in Estonia - below 1,000.
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My point still remains. That road has the lowest AADT of any main road in Estonia - below 1,000.
I meant near Piter, just look at Google maps, last paving in the 70's I guess, 1+1 and on the other side giant new residential areas, and standing cars. I don't mean it to be reconstructed till Estonia, but it seems like this road has been reconstructed now (?) according to the article above (Narva road), E20/180 where it needs to, until Krasnoe Selo or so.

I just remember it's named "Tallinnskoje Shosse".

https://www.google.fi/maps/@59.78104...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fi/maps/place/Pie...47ca5a4725c9e4

Is it so that it actually is reconstructed already or just in project? Because that must be fixed.

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I just remember it's named "Tallinnskoje Shosse".

https://www.google.fi/maps/@59.78104...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.fi/maps/place/Pie...47ca5a4725c9e4

Is it so that it actually is reconstructed already or just in project? Because that must be fixed.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 04:13 PM   #2395
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Then they say they can't protest in Russia.... Though Khimki forest could had been easily saved with a slightly different alignment of the M-11 (and closer to the town thus serving more motorists), really valious flora and fauna.

How far do they reconstruct the E20/180/Narva road/Tallinn road/Whatever it is? ? West to Ust-Uda?

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Old October 9th, 2015, 12:46 AM   #2396
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Closer would require lots of buildings to be demolished. And those who protesters believed to be paid by US White House quickly disappeared after elections.
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Old October 9th, 2015, 06:52 PM   #2397
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Yeah right, saving the Khimki forest around Moscow is surely on top of the White House priority list, right behind Syria, Iran, and the trans-Pacific trade deal. Get real...
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Old October 11th, 2015, 06:01 PM   #2398
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Do you know history of building road 2x2 in soviet times? I'm interest in motorways from Moscow to Jaroslavl, - Belgorod, - Vorone×, - Ni×nij Novgorod, Čeljabinsk - Jekaterinburg and MKAD too. When was built first motorway?
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Basically never. Soviet Union prioritized public transportation, as few people could afford cars. MKAD was rebuilt into a 4 lane road in the 60's with interchanges (http://c.pastvu.com/_p/d/3/6/d/36d37...e21397d856.jpg), however I am unsure it was quite motorway standard back then, as the Soviet Union did not have such a standard for road construction. There were 4 lane highways around cities or on roads like the M5 (up to like Nizhniy Novgorod), but they had traffic signals, intersections, and quite often lacked a secure median. The only road that came close to motorway requirements in the Soviet Union was the Vilnius-Kaunas road in Lithuania
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Some dual carriageways built in Latvia in the Soviet times were considered 'motorways' afaik. That's the current A2 Riga-Gauja section; a section of Riga byapss, now A5 and two A6 sections Riga-Ogre and Nīcgale-Daugavpils.
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