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Old October 13th, 2015, 07:50 PM   #2401
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The only road that came close to motorway requirements in the Soviet Union was the Vilnius-Kaunas road in Lithuania
It was considered as one of the most modern dual carriegeways in Eastern Europe. Back in 1970s there was a very little amount of dual carriegeways in the region, so this road was a very special one, I think, one of the first Soviet 'motorways' out of Moscow Region I heard that the road also had a motorway status, as some lower standard Latvian dual carriegeways.

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Some dual carriageways built in Latvia in the Soviet times were considered 'motorways' afaik. That's the current A2 Riga-Gauja section; a section of Riga byapss, now A5 and two A6 sections Riga-Ogre and Nīcgale-Daugavpils.
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Old October 14th, 2015, 01:27 AM   #2402
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I was always wondering why did they build such a high standard dual carriageway between Vilnius and Kaunas and between Vilnius and Panievezys? Wasn't the reason to make more important ports of Klajpeda and Riga and its connection to the rest of USRR? However if so why would these roads go towards Vilnius not towards Moscow?
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Old October 14th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #2403
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I was always wondering why did they build such a high standard dual carriageway between Vilnius and Kaunas and between Vilnius and Panievezys? Wasn't the reason to make more important ports of Klajpeda and Riga and its connection to the rest of USRR? However if so why would these roads go towards Vilnius not towards Moscow?
Lithuania wanted roads. Latvia wanted factories. Each got what they wanted. When the soviet empire collapsed and Russia, Latvia, Lithuania and the others got their freedom, the soviet factories were mostly worthless. Lithuania still has the roads.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #2404
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So apparently this Bridge near Kaliningrad was blown up at the end of WW2 and was only partly rebuild and the other half lies in ruins ever since.
In Sat-view you can see that there is a new Bridge to the west and apparently there are plans to completely demolish the old structures and build a second carriageway.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 05:13 PM   #2405
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It makes for an interesting monument
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Old October 15th, 2015, 05:21 PM   #2406
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So apparently Koenigsberg (now Kaliningrad) had a full Reichsautobahn before 1945., at least this bridge.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 07:45 PM   #2407
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So apparently Koenigsberg (now Kaliningrad) had a full Reichsautobahn before 1945., at least this bridge.
AFAIK the Reichsautobahn to Königsberg was a single-carriageway road. It's still visible (check Google Street View) next to the newer road.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 08:59 PM   #2408
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Air view shows new bridge finished and running.
https://www.google.de/maps/@54.69071.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=20.598386...228&z=19&l=sat
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Old October 15th, 2015, 09:32 PM   #2409
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AFAIK the Reichsautobahn to Königsberg was a single-carriageway road. It's still visible (check Google Street View) next to the newer road.
I am well aware of that. However, according to posted picture, bombarded bridge was double (2+2), which means in full Reichsautobahn profile. Interesting that the Soviet authorities repaired only one half, probably after the WW2.
Although, it may be possible that this bridge wasn't demolished by Allied air raids and survived until the retreat of German troops soon before the end of WW2. The Germans probably tried to detonate it, but with mixed success: one half survived and after minor repairs successfully served citizens of Kaliningrad all these years.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 11:34 PM   #2410
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did some research:
the old Bridge carried 4 lanes, was build in 1938 and was (is) 633 m long. It was blown up by the german Army in 1945.
Between 1962 and 64 one side was rebuild. The temporary (over 50 years ) steel section in the middle is right where the blurred cars are in the picture above.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 12:48 PM   #2411
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Thank you very much.
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:05 PM   #2412
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It was considered as one of the most modern dual carriegeways in Eastern Europe. Back in 1970s there was a very little amount of dual carriegeways in the region, so this road was a very special one, I think, one of the first Soviet 'motorways' out of Moscow Region I heard that the road also had a motorway status, as some lower standard Latvian dual carriegeways.
As I have read the most complete and longest dual carriageway-roads were built in Baltia and Belarus. not in Moscow for example; why that?

Tallinn's Lasnamäe "canyon" is 4+4-5+5. and Rifa's main access is 3+3, surely one of the most modern roads in the SSSR at that times.
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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:21 PM   #2413
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Because the ZIL-lane made it only 10-lane single carriageway?
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Old October 18th, 2015, 02:04 AM   #2414
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As I have read the most complete and longest dual carriageway-roads were built in Baltia and Belarus. not in Moscow for example; why that?
The reason, I think, it's that Baltics and Belarus were been the most motorised Soviet states.

Better access to Baltic sea and Olympic Games in 1980 (Belarus), may also be a reason for this

And Moscow's vinicities are well served by public transport (railways, etc.) , so there was no need for investment for good motor roads. While there is inpractical to use railway to reach Klaipeda from let's say Kaunas
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It seems that there are probably plans do modernize this road to expressway standards as the new bridge is already under construction and to connect it to the Polish expressway S22. In the Polish newspaper I have read that the traffic volumes on this Polish-Russian border crossing heavily increased (as lot of Russians use to go for a shopping to Gdansk, etc.) Maybe you have more information about it.

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the old Bridge carried 4 lanes, was build in 1938 and was (is) 633 m long. It was blown up by the german Army in 1945.
Between 1962 and 64 one side was rebuild. The temporary (over 50 years ) steel section in the middle is right where the blurred cars are in the picture above.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 02:01 PM   #2416
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The rouble devaluation last and this year significantly reduced the Poland's attractiveness for Russian customers.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 03:28 PM   #2417
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It seems that there are probably plans do modernize this road to expressway standards as the new bridge is already under construction and to connect it to the Polish expressway S22. In the Polish newspaper I have read that the traffic volumes on this Polish-Russian border crossing heavily increased (as lot of Russians use to go for a shopping to Gdansk, etc.) Maybe you have more information about it.
I think it is opposite. There is less cross-border traffic due to russian restrictions on EU food products and also due to depreciation of russian currency against polish zloty. However in a longer term it may have sense to built that connection. It is the shortest way for transit between that part of Russia and EU. It is on extension of the same alignment as on polish side. In Poland it took pretty quickly to upgrade it to expressway standard.
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Old October 19th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #2418
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I think it is opposite. There is less cross-border traffic due to russian restrictions on EU food products and also due to depreciation of russian currency against polish zloty. However in a longer term it may have sense to built that connection. It is the shortest way for transit between that part of Russia and EU. It is on extension of the same alignment as on polish side. In Poland it took pretty quickly to upgrade it to expressway standard.
Yes, I meant it in a longer term.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 07:14 PM   #2419
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I don't understand. What is mistake on russian motorways, e.g. Moscow - Tula? neither better not worst like in Lithuania.
Do you know history of motorways in Russia (USSR) anyone? I'm sure sections MKAD - Serpuchov; MKAD - Sergiev Posad; MKAD - Orechovo; MKAD - Volokolamsk, near Voronež in early. Sections have to completed in Soviet times. I doubt in wild Boris Jelcin times.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 07:26 AM   #2420
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Just this year a new section of the Kaliningrad-Poland expressway was opened.

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67600/#cut
The post itself is really confusing on the whereabouts of this opening, but the comments shine a little more light on it. Google translate the URL for English-speakers, this is the only source where I found the information.
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