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Old June 11th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #441
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Too bad there are so few pics of the motorway part, which is quite long. Nice to see one of the oldest Russian motorways (it's visible).
Yeah, but these aren't european motorways, they have no barriers between lanes and also the barriers on the outside are missing.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 06:33 PM   #442
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It's a motorway, end of. There is a proof of that it's a motorway. Polish A4 also had no barriers at some point.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 09:25 PM   #443
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It's a motorway, end of. There is a proof of that it's a motorway. Polish A4 also had no barriers at some point.
Which proof? I see on the photos that it's not a motorway.

There is no even 1 km of A4 polish motorway without barriers between lanes. Anyway it's off topic so please stop.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #444
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Russia has several motorways that are at least 2x2 and divided. On top of that, Russia also has a quite extensive network of 4 lane, undivided highways, such as the M1 from Smolensk to Moskva. Those 4-lane, undivided highways are not considered motorways in Russia, as far as I know.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #445
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Those 4-lane, undivided highways are not considered motorways in Russia, as far as I know.
He's talking about divided motorways, but he's complaining about lack of guardrails between carriageways and around them. Then he declares it OT and wants us to stop talking about something he started.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #446
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Which proof? I see on the photos that it's not a motorway.

There is no even 1 km of A4 polish motorway without barriers between lanes. Anyway it's off topic so please stop.
M2 is a motorway, notice green signs. There is not much of these roads in Russia but they are going to build some
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Old June 11th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #447
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Which proof? I see on the photos that it's not a motorway.

There is no even 1 km of A4 polish motorway without barriers between lanes. Anyway it's off topic so please stop.
Even Finland has some motorways where there is no central barrier(where the median is wide enough)
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Old June 11th, 2009, 09:58 PM   #448
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M2 is a motorway, notice green signs. There is not much of these roads in Russia but they are going to build some
I don't mean the signs. You can even have a crappy road and sign it as a motorway, like they do in Lithuania for example. I mean what is the real state of these roads and thet aren't proper motorways.

If they will build, they will build, but now the situation is like we see on the pictures.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 09:59 PM   #449
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Even Finland has some motorways where there is no central barrier(where the median is wide enough)
So it's not a motorway. Motorway has some very strict descriptions:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorway
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Thousands of kilometers of "motorway" in the world do not have a central barrier. Many just have a grass median, no big deal... Many motorways also lack shoulders, like in Poland, Germany, Switzerland, Italy and Spain.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 10:06 PM   #451
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If there is wide median you can get away with that, in West it also occures sometimes, for example motorway in Belgium towards Dunqerque
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Old June 11th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #452
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Guys, but modern motorways MUST have such standards, no doubt about that. If the road has been built 30 yeras ago, I undertsand but now??

I don't think we could observe anything like that in Central and Western Europe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avA7MOQpcOs
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Where does it say anything about your requirements? I agree motorways should be fenced though, regardless if there's no wildlife around.
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This is the first time I see Moscow written in English on a sign.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 10:17 PM   #455
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Where does it say anything about your requirements? I agree motorways should be fenced though, regardless if there's no wildlife around.
The lanes must be divided with crashbarriers and that is what is almost always missing on Russian "motorways"
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Well, decent or nor it's still a motorway and it's good. At least you can see that there motorways because before I thought that only MKAD is the only decent road in Russia
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Are they mental or what? How could anyone in their sane mind come up with a marking like that?
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Old June 11th, 2009, 10:27 PM   #458
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Well, decent or nor it's still a motorway and it's good. At least you can see that there motorways because before I thought that only MKAD is the only decent road in Russia
Well, MKAD is the best in Russia, no doubt about that, but honestly I did not see any other road in Russia even close to that standard (I mean offcourse something longer than 20 km)
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tomato potato etc...

Every country can define it's own standard of motorways. Russia does not have the best motorways, but at least they have a lot of new, and good, motorways under construction/newly contructed.

Russian definition of motorway is not the same as the european/american definition.

So many roads would get classified russian motorway, but would not be classified as motorways in other countries.

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The federal highways are classified in Russia into two categories: "motorways" (Russian: магистральная автомобильная дорога, автомагистраль, not the same as the English term motorway) and "other". The total length of the "motorways" is around 26.000 km (16.000 miles).
I think all roads starting with M and something are classified as motorways but many of these are clearly not motorways of the "standard" definition.
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tomato potato etc...

Every country can define it's own standard of motorways. Russia does not have the best motorways, but at least they have a lot of new, and good, motorways under construction/newly contructed.

Russian definition of motorway is not the same as the european/american definition.

So many roads would get classified russian motorway, but would not be classified as motorways in other countries.

wikipedia


I think all roads starting with M and something are classified as motorways but many of these are clearly not motorways of the "standard" definition.
Ok I understand that but there is no reason to call these roads "motorways" as our EU standard is different.
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