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Old June 13th, 2009, 08:30 PM   #481
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In 1995-1997 the road was widened from the initial four to ten lanes, while all intersections became grade-separated, bridges were built to accommodate pedestrians, traffic lights were removed, and a solid concrete barrier was installed in the median. In 2001 all slow-moving vehicles were banned from entering the MKAD and the renovated road received a freeway designation from the mayor's office.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 08:55 PM   #482
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MKAD is a motorroad:
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Old June 14th, 2009, 12:43 PM   #483
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MKAD road is close to Moscow?
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Old June 14th, 2009, 12:53 PM   #484
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It encircles Moscow. Some parts of the city are outside of the MKAD.
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Old June 14th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #485
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Well, MKAD is the best in Russia, no doubt about that, but honestly I did not see any other road in Russia even close to that standard (I mean offcourse something longer than 20 km)

I don't realy think so. Saint-Petersburg Ring (SpbKAD) much better, it is highway standart (autobahn green sign, 110km\h).
And second big problem - too much interchanges at MKAD - sometimes closer, than 500m.
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Old June 14th, 2009, 08:12 PM   #486
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Part of M9 Volokolamsk-Moscow is a 3+3 motorway with emergency lanes more than 100km long. All crossings are 2 level, signs are green only lacks barrier in the middle.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 12:48 PM   #487
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Don't forget that also such roads exist in Russia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djKmn...eature=related

It is also M road, isn't it?
Stick to Poland thread please. You have a full load of shitty rural roads.

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Yeah, but such roads are not even considered motorways in Russia. It's just a bad-quality Magistrale.
It's not bad quality. Surface is made of good quality. It's just very old and cannot be widened. So there is another one under construction.

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Also, vast majority of rural interstates here in the USA do not have median barriers, rather using wide grassy spaces between the two sides.

Canada uses very similar standards on their rural motorways, too.
indeed it is. somewhere a thousand kilometers far away of big city when you have 5 cars per minute on the same place you hardly need more than 2 lanes. and it doesn't mean it's not motorway.

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1. Crash barriers are required everywhere in Europe, not only in Ireland or UK. It is our european standard.

2. If these elements are missing, for our standards these can not be called motorways. All new (and 99% of old) motorways in Europe have this standard.
Here we have GOST standards. And as was said above - rural motorways is not the same as urban motorway.

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Didn't the MKAD achieve motorway status recently because they have cleared all the pedestrian crossings and uncontrolled interchanges?
No. It's located within city limits, so officially it's a street as all roads within city limits in Russia are streets. But defacto it's motorway, same as 3TK and 4TK. Btw, next 4TK section will be opened next month.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 09:38 PM   #488
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You musn't be unpolite just cause I showed you the truth..

There are no different standards for urban motorway and suburban. Motorway is motorway. You can't call a motorway in Europe a road which doesn't have EU motorway standards.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #489
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MKAD during Soviet times
Originally opened in 1961, had 2x2 lanes, remained virtually unchanged until 1994.
Reconstructed from 1994-1997, to include concrete dividing grade and widened to 4x4 lanes.

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Old June 18th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #490
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You musn't be unpolite just cause I showed you the truth..

There are no different standards for urban motorway and suburban. Motorway is motorway. You can't call a motorway in Europe a road which doesn't have EU motorway standards.
Stick the truth only to your country. Russians better know truth about their country.


As I said we have GOST standards.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 11:14 PM   #491
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The truth has been revealed.

I love the pictures of the MKAD, they look pretty scary and kind of monumentally because of the huge industrial buildings and chimneys in the back, however the road itself seems to be a good quality one. I guess it's usually very busy, as it encircles Moscow?
And also, I don't know if anyone has already asked about it, but are any tolled roads in Russia?

Btw, are American trucks common there?
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Old June 18th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #492
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Stick the truth only to your country. Russians better know truth about their country.


As I said we have GOST standards.
This is forum about russian motorways so I will speak about them. This film is true so stay calm. We are speaking about russian roads here and you will not limit me or anyone to talk about it and show EVERY aspect.

What is GOST standard?
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Old June 19th, 2009, 01:22 AM   #493
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@Random_Guy
It was said many times already - there are no buildings and chimneys.

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Better speak about Polish motorways in the specific threads. Because you 20 years old selective photos and video nothing else, but complete trolling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOST
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Old June 19th, 2009, 11:31 AM   #494
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@Warsawbynight

GOST is a specification of a technical standard in the CIS. For example there is a GOST to specify what is defined as a motorway in CIS. There is surely some overlap with European motorway standards, but not entirely (apparently)

If GOST was to add a new specification that was to say that all motorways have to have automatic vehicle recovery robots at every 1000 meters, that would not mean that all European motorways will all of a sudden stop being motorways because they are not compliant with the GOST standard. The same applies in the other direction too.

I hope this is clear
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Old June 19th, 2009, 06:04 PM   #495
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Better speak about Polish motorways in the specific threads. Because you 20 years old selective photos and video nothing else, but complete trolling
Man, when I want to speak about polish motorways, I am going to polish thread, now I am in russian thread and I am speaking about russian motorways. Do you have any problem with that? I hope not...

Are these film from 20 years ago?? I don't think so..if yes, please show the same place now, hm?

Thanks for your link about GOST. We are learning through our whole life

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Old August 2nd, 2009, 03:12 PM   #496
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Man, when I want to speak about polish motorways, I am going to polish thread, now I am in russian thread and I am speaking about russian motorways. Do you have any problem with that? I hope not...

Are these film from 20 years ago?? I don't think so..if yes, please show the same place now, hm?

Thanks for your link about GOST. We are learning through our whole life
Its fresh footage I even saw worst parts last year, when I traveled this road to SPB. Russian roads are crap and killing 30k people a year. But latest government statements bring some optimism. Very soon some high qaulity paid roads will be built involving some well-known european operators.
Thanks for your interest.

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Btw, are American trucks common there?
Yes, they are very popular among transport companies.

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Old August 2nd, 2009, 03:54 PM   #497
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Yeah, there will be constructed M10 motorway, tolled one
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 04:27 PM   #498
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Its fresh footage I even saw worst parts last year, when I traveled this road to SPB. Russian roads are crap and killing 30k people a year. But latest government statements bring some optimism. Very soon some high qaulity paid roads will be built involving some well-known european operators.
Thanks for your interest.
That's interesting. Once i travelled along this road up to Tver, and it was quite all right. Apparently there's a sign somewhere on the highway saying 'From this point you don't really have to fix this road'.
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That's interesting. Once i travelled along this road up to Tver, and it was quite all right. Apparently there's a sign somewhere on the highway saying 'From this point you don't really have to fix this road'.
Yes you are very right. The road is fine until u reach Tver, after Tver and in Novgorod region its like in Chris Rea track: "You have strayed upon the motorway to hell", where heavy loaded trucks race each other on 120 kmph and hotheads on passenger vehicles are trying to avoid holes in the ground at 150 kmph.
Better take the friggin train and enjoy beer and crisps!
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Yes you are very right. The road is fine until u reach Tver, after Tver and in Novgorod region its like in Chris Rea track: "You have strayed upon the motorway to hell", where heavy loaded trucks race each other on 120 kmph and hotheads on passenger vehicles are trying to avoid holes in the ground at 150 kmph.
Better take the friggin train and enjoy beer and crisps!
Yup, I agree. Train is way more comfortable in this case since it goes by night.
Still that's odd. I know there are some really nice roads between some small towns thousands miles away from Moscow, but at the same time nation's most important road is half shitty...
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