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Old August 2nd, 2009, 10:36 PM   #501
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I heard so many comments about how bad russian roads are...Do you have any idea how much time and money it would take to rebuild every old soviet roads in Russia??
Yes i agree there are lots of terrible roads in Russia but you cannot compare Russian roads to european ones since Russia is Huge and it takes alot of maintenance...
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 10:59 PM   #502
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I heard so many comments about how bad russian roads are...Do you have any idea how much time and money it would take to rebuild every old soviet roads in Russia??
Yes i agree there are lots of terrible roads in Russia but you cannot compare Russian roads to european ones since Russia is Huge and it takes alot of maintenance...
Well Russia is bigger, yeah, but it's budget is bigger than those of most European countries as well. So, it is better to compare it with the United States.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 11:26 PM   #503
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I heard Russia is the biggest automobile market in Europe now, having overtaken Germany.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 11:44 AM   #504
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I heard Russia is the biggest automobile market in Europe now, having overtaken Germany.
Not anymore thanks to the crisis. In fact we have slided quite badly
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 01:29 PM   #505
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I heard Russia is the biggest automobile market in Europe now, having overtaken Germany.
Yes it was biggest in terms of the new vehicles sold. But that was in 2008.
This year we face 50% automarket drop due to the following reasons:

1. Banks increased interest rate significantly. From 9% to 25% in Roubles during the crisis peak in Dec08-March09. Currently rate is 15% and borrowers face extreme scoring at banks.
2. Government increased customs duties on newly imported vehicles in order to support local production. But this move together with overall Rouble devaluation made vehicle retail prices jump up to 50% in 6 months.
3. Many people lost their job. You wouldnt be buying a car sitting at home, right?
4. We dont have such government program for old vehicles utilization like in Germany and some other EU states, that supports buyers to utilize old car and buy a greener one.

Its is forecasted, that Russian auto market despite of this problems will finish on 4-5 place in Europe in 2009. Which is not so bad, considering problems we have with economy.

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Old August 4th, 2009, 12:12 AM   #506
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Well Russia is bigger, yeah, but it's budget is bigger than those of most European countries as well. So, it is better to compare it with the United States.
Russia has a lower budget then the Netherlands.

Netherlands

Revenues: $408.5 billion
expenditures: $398.8 billion (2008 est.)

Russia
revenues: $383.5 billion
expenditures: $273.5 billion (2008 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/rs.html
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Old August 4th, 2009, 12:56 AM   #507
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I think he meant the road budget.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 01:18 AM   #508
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Yes, i was talking about road budget.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 02:02 AM   #509
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Yes, i was talking about road budget.
I think even then the Dutch road budget is bigger. Roads have got only attention in the last couple of years. And because of the corruption in road construction by goverment with little help from private funding I think Russia is not even close to the Dutch road budget.

Oh yea and somehow construction of roads in Russia is sometimes even more expensive then in the west.

Vinci SA, the world’s biggest construction company, signed a 60 billion-ruble ($2 billion) concession to build and operate the initial stretch of Russia’s first major toll road from Moscow to St. Petersburg

The government wants to complete the 626-kilometer road by 2015 at a cost of about 600 billion rubles

almost $20 billion for a 626 km road
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Well i guess this is really more due to corruption either than climate or lack of proper technology... Very sad.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 09:35 AM   #511
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almost $20 billion for a 626 km road
That's more than 22 million euro's per km!
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That's more than 22 million euro's per km!
Cost of 20 bln sounds like a 10 year budget of Georgia and I find this hard to believe.
I'm not sure how fast they will return the investment (if ever), but the price for driving this road will be rather high - aprox RUR 2500 (USD 80) one way, excluding petrol of course.
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That's more than 22 million euro's per km!
probably this is the price of construction works and also of maintenance for the following 30years or how many years the road will be in concession.But anyway it's a big cost for a motorway that passes only through plains.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 04:51 PM   #514
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probably this is the price of construction works and also of maintenance for the following 30years or how many years the road will be in concession.But anyway it's a big cost for a motorway that passes only through plains.
concession to build and operate

Yep you are right. It is also for maintaince, but still the pricetag is too high.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 05:04 PM   #515
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Yeah, but this section of the motorway will be one of the busiest. The cost includes building the 8-10 lane motorway with all the infrastructure like toll booths as well as several moster junctions with MKAD, M10 and SVO airport (as well as some other junctions). On top of that it needs a bridge over Moscow canal

I am genuinely not sure if it sounds too high!?
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Are the planned also other motorways in Russia like M10 ?
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The latest news is that funding will likely be significantly decreased for 2010 onwards. It will still be nominally larger that funding for 2009, but this means that the unprecedented levels of investments into infrastructure that were planned in 2010-2015 will have to wait until better times
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Are the planned also other motorways in Russia like M10 ?
Yes, for example M4 Don road which links Moscow and the Black Sea

p.s. M10 is not the planned toll motorway, but the existing road between the two capitals
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The latest news is that funding will likely be significantly decreased for 2010 onwards. It will still be nominally larger that funding for 2009, but this means that the unprecedented levels of investments into infrastructure that were planned in 2010-2015 will have to wait until better times
Do you know why the budget is not being increased?
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Do you know why the budget is not being increased?
Because of the budget deficit, world crisis etc.

I am not ruling out alternative forms of financing for high profile infrastructure projects
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