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Old November 13th, 2009, 05:45 AM   #661
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Did Lithuania really have any road up to motorway standards in times of USSR? Didn't the Kaunas-Klaipeda road have U-turns or sth else non-motorway? Btw, I think the road M2 Moscow - Serpukhov was a motorway already in USSR. There are these ancient pics of it on the net.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_highway_(Lithuania)



looked even more impressive than the MKAD did at the time.

Here's old pics of MKAD





It basically remained like this unchanged until the 1994-1997 reconstruction, where the widened it and put in a concrete divider.
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Old November 13th, 2009, 11:01 AM   #662
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It's actually wrong. This picture is from motorway A2 Vilnius - Panevėžys In photo you can see big event - "baltic road", when there were a chain of people all the way from Vilnius to Tallinn.

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Old November 13th, 2009, 07:16 PM   #663
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But are you sure there aren't U-turns further on? I've heard Lithuania had to upgrade its 4-lane roads in order to be able to sign them as real motorways. If that wasn't A1 or A2, what other road could it be? These are the only Lithuanian motorways (and Vilnius - Kaunas isn't).
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Old November 13th, 2009, 10:06 PM   #664
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Anybody has a map with russian 4+ lane roads (not only motorways but all 4+ roads).

http://latvijas-karte.zl.lv/
here I can see European part but it seems it is outdated and incorrect sometimes
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Old November 14th, 2009, 02:30 PM   #665
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But are you sure there aren't U-turns further on? I've heard Lithuania had to upgrade its 4-lane roads in order to be able to sign them as real motorways. If that wasn't A1 or A2, what other road could it be? These are the only Lithuanian motorways (and Vilnius - Kaunas isn't).
Actually A2 doesn't have any U-Turns to it's middle point Ukmergė town, driving from Vilnius. Then, near Panevėžys, there are some U-Turns. And A1 between Kaunas - Klaipėda does have also some U-turns, but they are being removed now.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 02:01 AM   #666
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First ever road connecting Russia’s west to east to be ready in 2010 – Ivanov

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MOSCOW, November 22 (Itar-Tass) -- The first ever road to connect Russia’s west with the east will be built in 2010, Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said.

“We plan to build about 6,000 kilometers of federal roads next year. The construction of the Chita-Khabarovsk road started in 1967, with approval of the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee. That road, of 2,000 kilometers, will be ready next year. For the first time in the history of the Russian empire, the Soviet Union and modern Russia we will have a road stretching out from the west to the east,” Ivanov said.

Seventeen bridges and one supplementary bridge across the Oka River in Murom will be commissioned this year, Ivanov said.

“The construction of the majority of these bridges started in the Soviet period. The projects were abandoned in the 1990s. Vladimir Putin made the political decision to finish the projects in 2004, and the funding began in 2005. These are huge bridges. The last of them will be commissioned in Ulyanovsk next week. That bridge, of 24 kilometers, had been under construction since 1987. There was a ten-year pause in the project,” Ivanov said.

He promised to build any new bridges in Russia within 18-24 months. “The rapid construction will reduce project costs. It is very unprofitable to drag out construction projects. We intend to commission about 6,000 meters of bridges on federal roads next year. The bridge to the Russky Island will be the longest cable stayed bridge in the world, and the Ulyanovsk bridge will be the longest in Europe. It is not that Russia wants to beat a record. It is just that this country is vast, and our rivers are wide,” he said.

The construction of two toll roads will begin next year, Ivanov said. “It is possible to collect money wherever traffic is very busy, so we will organize concessions and build toll bridges. The toll will be five or six times smaller than in Europe, about 5 rubles per kilometer [the current exchange rate is 28.85 rubles to the dollar],” Ivanov said.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 02:34 AM   #667
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24-km-long bridge in Ulyanovsk, seriously? Is it this bridge?



That's just 5 km or so. Why does Ulyanovsk need two road bridges over Volga anyway? Damn, this river is so wide, with so few bridges across it that sometimes I think it would be a better border between Europe and Asia than the Urals.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 05:05 AM   #668
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5.8km actually. must be a mistake in the article...

Four lanes is not enough to connect too large parts of the city. Old bridge was always stuck in traffic.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 10:37 AM   #669
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That's just 5 km or so. Why does Ulyanovsk need two road bridges over Volga anyway?
The nearest ones are in either Tolyatti, 120 kilometers downstream, or Kazan, 180 kilometers upstream.

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Damn, this river is so wide, with so few bridges across it that sometimes I think it would be a better border between Europe and Asia than the Urals.
It's so wide because it's basically a string of reservoirs. The Kuybyshev Reservoir, where Ulyanovsk is on, is the largest in Europe. The shore length is 2604 kilometers.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 06:22 PM   #670
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The nearest ones are in either Tolyatti, 120 kilometers downstream, or Kazan, 180 kilometers upstream.
I know, but you don't solve such a problem by building two bridges one by another. Anyway, coth explained it..

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It's so wide because it's basically a string of reservoirs. The Kuybyshev Reservoir, where Ulyanovsk is on, is the largest in Europe. The shore length is 2604 kilometers.
I know there are artificial 'lakes' all the time. To me it looks like a stronger border than the Urals.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 08:50 PM   #671
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Border between the contents lies in the water divide. You can't split the continent by the middle of the river, putting one part of water basin in one continent and second into another. Geologically it's a single part. It's like dividing North America by two continents - Northwest America and Northeast America by the Mississippi river. Volga is definitely by far largest and most valuable river in Europe. But it's only 5th in Russia. The border between Europe and Asia goes mainly by western border of Ob' river basin, as almost all rivers to east of Ural Mountains discharges into Ob'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ob_River
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Old November 24th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #672
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You can't split the continent by the middle of the river, putting one part of water basin in one continent and second into another.
What about the Ural river?

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It's like dividing North America by two continents - Northwest America and Northeast America by the Mississippi river.
Well, Europe and Asia aren't real continents anyway.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #673
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that's a relatively small river starting almost at the end of ural mountains. its basin located in europe.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 12:39 AM   #674
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24-km-long bridge in Ulyanovsk, seriously? Is it this bridge?



That's just 5 km or so. Why does Ulyanovsk need two road bridges over Volga anyway? Damn, this river is so wide, with so few bridges across it that sometimes I think it would be a better border between Europe and Asia than the Urals.
Today the bridge was opened, unfortunately this is the only picture I have

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Are you sure it's not a bridge between Russia and Azerbaijan? Congratulations, 5.8 km is long.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 12:45 AM   #676
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Are you sure it's not a bridge between Russia and Azerbaijan? Congratulations, 5.8 km is long.
No my friend. Azeri president was there because a momument to he's father was opened in the region.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #677
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Medvedev Assails Cost of New Roads Amid Anti-Corruption Drive

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Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Russian President Dmitry Medvedev questioned the high cost of building roads in the nation as he pushes an agenda based on modernization and stamping out corruption.

Building a kilometer (0.62 mile) of highway in northwestern Russia costs 190 million rubles ($6.6 million), Medvedev said at a government meeting in Ulyanovsk today. In the Olympic town of Sochi, the same length of new road costs 2 billion rubles, compared with 8 billion in Moscow, he said.

“Why this difference?” Medvedev said in remarks broadcast live by state television. “Of course there are objective reasons, but the difference is twenty-, thirty-fold. It’s not like we’re building on the moon.”

Medvedev, 44, laid out a vision to turn Russia into a modern, democratic country in an address to the nation earlier this month. He targeted the reliance on commodities and corruption that grew during the two terms of his predecessor and mentor, Vladimir Putin, currently prime minister.

Russia should adopt European Union standards of road- building to lower costs and speed up projects, Medvedev told ministers gathered in Ulyanovsk, the Volga River town where Vladimir Lenin, founder of the Soviet Union, was born.

“We don’t have to be ashamed to use the experience of foreign companies,” Medvedev said. Earlier in the day he opened a 5.8-kilometer-long double-decker bridge over the Volga that was begun in the early 1980s.

Medvedev scolded Transportation Minister Igor Levitin for trying to justify the cost of road-building in Russia, saying “our job isn’t to explain but to find solutions.”
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Old November 25th, 2009, 02:20 AM   #678
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Old November 25th, 2009, 02:35 AM   #679
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Some photos:

The last section of the bridge being transported















The other side of the bridge
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Old November 25th, 2009, 03:43 AM   #680
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Today the bridge was opened, unfortunately this is the only picture I have

[]http://www.visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/5120/70/512070.jpg?1259079371[/IMG]
I found this one:

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