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Old August 7th, 2007, 09:42 AM   #61
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These pictured aren't that bad, maybe massive, but not all detoriated grey or something...
Maybe because they're new. All commieblocks in Estonia looked pretty good when new, but now.....no comments! And for other guys: Parts of Eastern Europe differ greatly from each other so don't think everbody acts and does the same things all over Eastern Europe.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 01:05 PM   #62
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Seemingly yes, but what would you say if prices in Holland went up from 7,7/gal. to 15,4/gal. in period of two years? That's what has happend in USA - two years ago we paid 1,5 per gallon.
But that's not the end of story, along with rise of prices of gas, went up prices of everything - food, clothing, services - you name it, and salary stayed the same.


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Old August 8th, 2007, 06:46 AM   #63
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Is it true that private motor vehicle ownership was either greatly restricted or totally banned in Russia under communism? If so, I guess there would have been little need for motorways and other similar roads so have most of Russia's motorways been built since communism's demise?
Restricted? No, but it was out of the reach of most people. Usualy the price was set so that it was hard to afford and there was a long waiting list just to be able to buy a car (5-10 years). I belive that during the 1980s, there were 60 cars per 1000 people. Of course there was no demand to build large motorways, so often simple roads did the job. Right now, real motorways only exist around major cities like Moscow and St petersburg.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 12:15 PM   #64
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The only place you'll see apartments like that are College(yes we call University "College" here in the USA for anyone that doesn't know) Dorms or in Public Housing Projects.
You seem to generalise your neck of the woods to the entire USA. Been to Chicago, Detroit, or New York? Seen those ugly commieblocks? Just for your information - they are not dormitories

P.S. We, in California, prefer to use the word "school" instead of college and university.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 02:00 PM   #65
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You seem to generalise your neck of the woods to the entire USA. Been to Chicago, Detroit, or New York? Seen those ugly commieblocks? Just for your information - they are not dormitories

P.S. We, in California, prefer to use the word "school" instead of college and university.
That's why I said "or in Public Housing Projects." I've flown into Chicago and seen commieblocks, and I've driven through the Bronx on I-95. 'Nuff said.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #66
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I wonder why Canadians like this old soviet design so much...
That's only in the poor areas.
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Old August 9th, 2007, 08:28 AM   #67
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The expressways are very massive, but the geometrics and curve angles and space in the exits/onramps seem to be subpar.

But they are still very nice! I'm sure those are just from the Soviet-era, the new ones are probably much better.
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Old August 10th, 2007, 07:38 PM   #68
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But they are still very nice! I'm sure those are just from the Soviet-era, the new ones are probably much better.
The only problem is that the Russian government does not build any new long-distance motorways.
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Old August 10th, 2007, 08:51 PM   #69
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I thought the M4 from Moscow via Tula to Belgorod was extended time by time.

And i heard there were plans to build a motorway to St.Petersburg too.

But funny thing is they don't seem to prioritize Moscow - Smolensk - Belarus. However, most of that road is 2+2 lanes, but no motorway.
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Old August 11th, 2007, 01:10 AM   #70
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how the road between Moscow to St. Petersburg? is it a good road?
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Old August 25th, 2007, 12:39 AM   #71
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Some M2 Moskva - Tula - Orel - Kursk - Belgorod - UA

1. Near Belgorod. Straight on for Belgorod city and Voronezh, which goes to the northeast shortly after this trumpet-shaped interchange. Go right for the Ukrainian city's of Kharkiv (Kharkov) and Sumy.
[img]http://i11.************/6gmhswl.png[/img]

2. The Ukrainian Russian border, north of Kharkiv. Here is the Ukrainian M27 merging with the Russian M2
[img]http://i11.************/68jl35c.png[/img]

3. The old M2 in Kursk. They build a new bypass around the city now.
[img]http://i10.************/53erfwl.png[/img]

4. From Tula, the last 220km northward to Moscow are up to motorway standards. The M2 is quite old, and encounters severe conditions in winter times. It is extended southward from time to time.
[img]http://i19.************/4t5087b.png[/img]

5. Some 90km south of Moscow, the M2 widens to 2x3 lanes.
[img]http://i9.************/6hfn0he.png[/img]
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Old August 26th, 2007, 04:59 PM   #72
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Maybe they should build more tollroads in Russia, because it's a large country. In France en Spain they do build tollroads, because it's too expensive to build free roads of several hunderd kilometers. I know there will be no enterprise to build a highway in Siberia, but maybe between large cities like Moscow and Sint-Petersburg or between Moscow and the borders of some states like Ukraine, Bielrussia or a Baltic state.
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Old August 26th, 2007, 05:24 PM   #73
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Well, most intercity connections only have a couple of thousand vehicles a day outside the cities. That's way not enough to construct a motorway for.

A lot of roads near cities are already fourlaned, some also for a larger distance.
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Old August 26th, 2007, 05:28 PM   #74
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So the connection between Moscow and St.Petersburg has below 10 000 cars a day?
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I'm not sure about that, but i saw sections of the M2 outside the motorway section and near cities have only like 2000 AADT, that's really nothing.
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Old August 26th, 2007, 07:31 PM   #76
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I'm not sure about that, but i saw sections of the M2 outside the motorway section and near cities have only like 2000 AADT, that's really nothing.
Yes, they said the same thing in Romania some 10 years ago when construction of motorways came into discussion and look where we are now... Still it's true that the Russians had/have much more kms of 4-lane roads than we. Surely it would easier to convert them to express-roads than narrower roads, right?
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Some Eastern Russia, Siberia, this is the Altai region, in Southern Siberia, not far from the Mongolian and Chinese border. The Altai mountains rise over 4000m.











That's what i call driving
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Old August 27th, 2007, 07:22 PM   #78
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Construction of the first toll roads in Russia will begin as early as spring 2008. One of the first motorways built will be Moscow-St Petersburg. This road will bypass the cities through which the current road M10 passes.

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The initial traffic is estimated at 70 000 cars/day
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St Petersburg KAD and ZSD:


Green - completed
Blue - partially completed
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So is that motorway between Moscow and St. Petersburg going to be a 3+3 lane road?
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