[RUS] Russian highways • Российские магистрали - Page 65

AlekseyVT · September 26th, 2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by themoreurban

I was watching some driving videos set in Russia, I was amazed at how much car traffic they have, I love Russia so I'm not knocking the country at all but it's just amazing. Is it because a lot of people live in the city so their tend to be more traffic? Or is it another reason...

The main reason is follow: the majority of roads were built in Soviet times, when only few percents of population had personal cars. Therefore, current roads were projected on low traffic. However, after Soviet collapse the number of personal cars greatly increased, and current roads are no able cope with this.

***ChrisZwolle*** · September 26th, 2011, 07:28 PM

The roads appear better than parking capacity though. I'm not sure about Russia, but I've seen apartment blocks along major streets in Bucharest that had almost no dedicated parking for occupants. Hence the streets become lined with parked cars.

Fargo Wolf · September 28th, 2011, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by void0

Vladivostok? Are you kidding me? Why you didn't mention Nizniy Novgorod, Ekaterenburg, Kazan, Novosibirsk?

Actually... I DID mention Novosibirsk. It would have been a huge list, to name every city that could generate the traffic volumes mentioned by Themoreurban. That's why I mentioned the few that I did. Vladivostok btw, is to Russia, what Vancouver is to Canada. The area surrounding BOTH cities is densely populated. Both cities have only a very few major routes for commuters, which result in massive traffic backups during the respective morning/afternoon/evening rush. Have a look on Google Maps, or Google Earth.

bozata90 · September 28th, 2011, 05:10 PM

In my view, the main problem of the MKAD are the poorly constructed interchanges. Basically you are forced to stop either at entering MKAD or the radial motorways. This clogs the exits of MKAD. And the agressive style of Eastern European driving does the rest - when 4 lanes are congested for 2 -3 kms before the most important exits (like Leningradskoe shosse to Himki or the other western suburbia), all the remaining traffic has to fit in the leftmost lane. MKAD does not have left shoulder, which means that if a vehicle suddenly gets broken there, the whole strech will be jammed.

***ChrisZwolle*** · September 28th, 2011, 05:20 PM

MKAD has a lot of cloverleafs where an 8-lane road crosses a 10-lane road without even a collector/distributor lane. This means weaving traffic interacts with mainline traffic, which is bad for traffic flow. Furthermore, cloverleafs have a low capacity, although many major interchanges appear to have been adjusted with fly-overs in recent years. If money was no issue I'd change MKAD to a 4x4 setup. 2x4 lanes for through traffic plus 4 lanes at either side for local traffic.

This is how a cross-section would look like. The 2x4 lanes for through traffic would only be able to communicate with other roads at interchanges with other M-roads.

bozata90 · September 28th, 2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle

MKAD has a lot of cloverleafs where an 8-lane road crosses a 10-lane road without even a collector/distributor lane. This means weaving traffic interacts with mainline traffic, which is bad for traffic flow. Furthermore, cloverleafs have a low capacity...

The main proble is that the idea for accelerating / decelerating lane was not used in MKAD.

themoreurban · September 29th, 2011, 12:38 AM

Thankyou for the answers, and I'm not saying this to be rude ..but it seems like people from Moscow drive like New Yorkers..

evian · October 3rd, 2011, 11:23 AM

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void0 · November 5th, 2011, 04:08 PM

Video radar system is being tested at roads of St. Petersburg. It detects number plates and speed online and can track up to 32 vehicles simultaneously and 4 lines

Pableras85 · November 7th, 2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by void0

Video radar system is being tested at roads of St. Petersburg. It detects number plates and speed online and can track up to 32 vehicles simultaneously and 4 lines

void0 · November 7th, 2011, 08:10 PM

Don't want to scary anyone, but they are going to start exporting that

Name user 1 · November 7th, 2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by void0

Don't want to scary anyone, but they are going to start exporting that

this technology has been available in EU markets already for some years ...

Blaskovitz · November 8th, 2011, 12:03 AM

like in Poland.

void0 · November 8th, 2011, 09:00 AM

Speed cameras are installed everywhere, but the question how reliable they are

Szatek · November 8th, 2011, 10:20 AM

I've read recently, that Polish police is going to buy that Russian system. Welcome in the world of Big Brother

GROBIN · November 8th, 2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Szatek

I've read recently, that Polish police is going to buy that Russian system. Welcome in the world of Big Brother

And I read a similar system has been already developed in Poland ... :

ed110220 · November 8th, 2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle

MKAD has a lot of cloverleafs where an 8-lane road crosses a 10-lane road without even a collector/distributor lane. This means weaving traffic interacts with mainline traffic, which is bad for traffic flow. Furthermore, cloverleafs have a low capacity, although many major interchanges appear to have been adjusted with fly-overs in recent years. If money was no issue I'd change MKAD to a 4x4 setup. 2x4 lanes for through traffic plus 4 lanes at either side for local traffic.

This is how a cross-section would look like. The 2x4 lanes for through traffic would only be able to communicate with other roads at interchanges with other M-roads.

The quality of the interchanges looks curiously mismatched with the number of lanes. It looks as though the road has been massively widened without improving the interchanges, especially as the cloverleaf loops look tight as if they have been "cut back" for widening. Is this the case?

***ChrisZwolle*** · November 8th, 2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ed110220

The quality of the interchanges looks curiously mismatched with the number of lanes. It looks as though the road has been massively widened without improving the interchanges, especially as the cloverleaf loops look tight as if they have been "cut back" for widening. Is this the case?

It appears so. Quantity over quality. The Gulf states are notorious for this as well.

Nima-Farid · November 12th, 2011, 07:01 AM

Russia is not only Moscow!
Ekaterinburg:

Sverdlovskaya Oblast'

Nima-Farid · November 12th, 2011, 07:03 AM

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September 28th, 2011, 05:10 PM	#1284
bozata90 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sofia Posts: 310 Likes (Received): 1	In my view, the main problem of the MKAD are the poorly constructed interchanges. Basically you are forced to stop either at entering MKAD or the radial motorways. This clogs the exits of MKAD. And the agressive style of Eastern European driving does the rest - when 4 lanes are congested for 2 -3 kms before the most important exits (like Leningradskoe shosse to Himki or the other western suburbia), all the remaining traffic has to fit in the leftmost lane. MKAD does not have left shoulder, which means that if a vehicle suddenly gets broken there, the whole strech will be jammed.

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themoreurban Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 59 Likes (Received): 0	Thankyou for the answers, and I'm not saying this to be rude ..but it seems like people from Moscow drive like New Yorkers..

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