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Old November 14th, 2011, 07:27 AM   #1321
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Old November 14th, 2011, 11:42 PM   #1322
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Old November 21st, 2011, 07:52 PM   #1323
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Old November 21st, 2011, 08:08 PM   #1324
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Its a concrete, wow. How will it survive the winters? I wonder.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 08:35 PM   #1325
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Same like in USA, Canada, Japan and other northern countries. How does concrete survives Chicago climate which is close to Moscow?
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Old November 21st, 2011, 11:03 PM   #1326
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Same like in USA, Canada, Japan and other northern countries. How does concrete survives Chicago climate which is close to Moscow?
I dont know how it does survive it. I did not read any papers on that. I was just surprised. I would expect asphalt based material, especially in Russia with its vast oil wells. And also, forgive my ignorance, are there many concrete motorways in Russia?

BTW Chicago is somewhere on the same altitude as Madrid and Rome, same story with Japan, sure there is gulf stream in Europe, but I dont know how much the gulf stream affects Moscow climate. Are there many concrete roads in Canada?

I guess something like this would be a good start for me to educate mysefl in this area, but there's no time on that right now... http://www.acpa.org/Downloads/LLCP.pdf

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Old November 21st, 2011, 11:44 PM   #1327
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latitude <> climate. north america is much colder than europe on same latitudes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humid_continental_climate

in any way - upper layer is asphalt. but there are millions of buildings around the world. somehow they survive new york climate, chicago climate, minneapolis climate and even relatively harsh calgary or novosibirsk climate.

your question sounds like - WOW, how does concrete survive 30C heat of LA?!!11
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 12:31 AM   #1328
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latitude <> climate. north america is much colder than europe on same latitudes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humid_continental_climate

in any way - upper layer is asphalt. but there are millions of buildings around the world. somehow they survive new york climate, chicago climate, minneapolis climate and even relatively harsh calgary or novosibirsk climate.

your question sounds like - WOW, how does concrete survive 30C heat of LA?!!11

Construction and roads are something different. Construction are made in a way that the concrete allways reaches non freezing depth. It is anchored in the soil that never freezes. They are also isolated and covered from humidity. Motorway is not. Thus once there is a crack, there comes water, with water there comes ice and with ice there come another cracks.

It is not about that it freezes so much in Russia, but that the temperatures vary rather lot during the year and that will cause moving. Also the thaw frost periods will pose problems.

I know about Climate, however the influence of Gulf Stream is not that mighty in Russia... but anyway I am not expert. If it is possible, it is possible .
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 02:00 AM   #1329
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Its a concrete, wow. How will it survive the winters? I wonder.
Surely its not the cold itself that matters, its the freeze-thaw process. I would imagine thats worse for roads, with ice/water constantly expanding and contracting meaning roads in places like Paris or London more susceptible to damage.

In russia its just below freezing for months on end.
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 02:05 AM   #1330
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When completed will large russian cities have USA style networks of motorways, or more European public transport focused schemes?

Are there any plans/maps for all urban road projects?
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 02:23 AM   #1331
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Construction and roads are something different. Construction are made in a way that the concrete allways reaches non freezing depth. It is anchored in the soil that never freezes. They are also isolated and covered from humidity. Motorway is not. Thus once there is a crack, there comes water, with water there comes ice and with ice there come another cracks.

It is not about that it freezes so much in Russia, but that the temperatures vary rather lot during the year and that will cause moving. Also the thaw frost periods will pose problems.

I know about Climate, however the influence of Gulf Stream is not that mighty in Russia... but anyway I am not expert. If it is possible, it is possible .
obviously just like in northern usa, canada and northern japan constant switches over 0C cause often road works. in any way well made and well lied down asphalt can stand up to 10-15 years. poorly made asphalt you have to patch every year.

i have two roads to my summer house 170 km north of moscow. one was made 10 years ago. still in perfect condition without any fixes so far. second is full of patches and pits. depend on fairness of road developers.
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 02:28 AM   #1332
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When completed will large russian cities have USA style networks of motorways, or more European public transport focused schemes?

Are there any plans/maps for all urban road projects?
Russia is a part of European network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...E-road_network
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 05:33 PM   #1333
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When completed will large russian cities have USA style networks of motorways, or more European public transport focused schemes?
Russia will no have USA-style network of motorways in the near future. Unlike USA, historically rail network playing much more important role for Russia.
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 06:57 PM   #1334
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Same like in USA, Canada, Japan and other northern countries. How does concrete survives Chicago climate which is close to Moscow?
Concrete is S.O.P. on new and rebuilt major highways here in Wisconsin, which is north of Chicago, and our roads hold up just fine.

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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #1335
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How many km of motorways does Russia build per year, on average. For example, how many kms have been delivered this year?
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Old December 13th, 2011, 02:19 PM   #1336
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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!
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Old December 15th, 2011, 01:53 AM   #1337
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How many km of motorways does Russia build per year, on average. For example, how many kms have been delivered this year?
Do not have the stats but not as much as they should. Def not on par with Chinese speeds. Cost of building the HWY is among the highest in the World.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 02:05 AM   #1338
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This is actually Belarus but it is right on the Russian Border that it is the same on both sides.

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Old December 15th, 2011, 02:06 AM   #1339
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SmolensK, Russia.

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Old December 15th, 2011, 03:15 AM   #1340
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