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Old December 15th, 2011, 06:09 AM   #1341
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You brought your car from the United States?
I personally did not. It was imported by someone to Lithuania and we bought it from them.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 11:03 PM   #1342
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How does it look to enter Russia via the M1 for EU-registered cars ? (France or Poland). Any complications ?
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Old December 15th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #1343
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How does it look to enter Russia via the M1 for EU-registered cars ? (France or Poland). Any complications ?
You have to worry about the Polish/BY border. Russian/BY border is almost non existent. You just drive through and they stop your car only if you look suspicious. Selective screening is what it is. I did not see any cars from LT, LV, or PL having problems.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 04:31 PM   #1344
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Nice ! Because I'd be interested in going to Russia by car. Moscow, St Petersburg ... Maybe even further, to Kazakhstan

What about the border with Ukraine ? I heard it would be open soon ???
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Old December 18th, 2011, 08:31 PM   #1345
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You have to worry about the Polish/BY border. Russian/BY border is almost non existent. You just drive through and they stop your car only if you look suspicious. Selective screening is what it is. I did not see any cars from LT, LV, or PL having problems.
Really? I know that you need 2 different visas for Russia and Belarus, but with no border between them apparently you can, at your own risk, get a visa for Belarus and continue illegally to drive into Russia without Russian visa. Is there a sort of Schengen area between former soviet republics?
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Old December 19th, 2011, 05:19 AM   #1346
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Really? I know that you need 2 different visas for Russia and Belarus, but with no border between them apparently you can, at your own risk, get a visa for Belarus and continue illegally to drive into Russia without Russian visa. Is there a sort of Schengen area between former soviet republics?
You must be crazy to do that.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 09:07 AM   #1347
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You must be crazy to do that.
If there are criminals who cross illegally the external schengen border that is heavily patrolled, why they shouldn't cross an almost unguarded border? Maybe because there isn't much illegal immigration to Russia.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:24 PM   #1348
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Really? I know that you need 2 different visas for Russia and Belarus, but with no border between them apparently you can, at your own risk, get a visa for Belarus and continue illegally to drive into Russia without Russian visa. Is there a sort of Schengen area between former soviet republics?
You can do it. But you would have a big problem when checking-in to your first hotel or when stopped by traffic police on the road.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:36 PM   #1349
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I read a report of some Italians that though it was possible driving from Poland to Lithuania through Belarus with ID only (their destination was finland). They were lucky to be only rejected at the border and let go back to PL and not arrested. Travelling around the world without be informated means asking for troubles.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 04:47 PM   #1350
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Traffic cops should not check your permits, just you drive license, car insurance and car registration.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #1351
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Really? I know that you need 2 different visas for Russia and Belarus, but with no border between them apparently you can, at your own risk, get a visa for Belarus and continue illegally to drive into Russia without Russian visa. Is there a sort of Schengen area between former soviet republics?
I was passing BY/RUS border at 5:00 a.m. There was no one at the border. All cars were just driving through. As i said earlier, there is a selective screening. Obviously your chances of getting pulled over with say Dutch plates are higher than with LT, or LV. But you bet they will stop at you at the entrance to Moscow or even before. You might be lucky at the border but not further in.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 10:30 PM   #1352
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Is there any sort of cooperation between Belarusian & Russian authorities for this kind of cases ?
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Old December 20th, 2011, 12:35 AM   #1353
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Is there any sort of cooperation between Belarusian & Russian authorities for this kind of cases ?
You have to present a terrorist threat for them to cooperate! Well, you get the point.
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Well, they do have something called the CIS, so there is some cooperation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonw...pendent_States
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Old December 20th, 2011, 07:41 PM   #1355
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Well, they do have something called the CIS, so there is some cooperation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonw...pendent_States
It is not as strict as it seems to be.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #1356
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:16 PM   #1357
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The entire route from Moscow to Sankt-Peterburg (M10) is cover with street view in Yandex maps: http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CFuZBXkG
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:25 PM   #1358
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The entire route from Moscow to Sankt-Peterburg (M10) is cover with street view in Yandex maps: http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CFuZBXkG
there is also R-21 saint petersburg - petrozavodsk
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:28 PM   #1359
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Moscow traffic looks like a harsher experience than London's, Paris region's, Caracas' ! Gosh ...

I assume at least there are some hours without congestion, right Like ... 5 AM ?

P.S.: @RipleyLV - thanks for the info
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #1360
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there is also R-21 saint petersburg - petrozavodsk
Yeah, but M10 is more important.

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No problem, you can also view my report made last year on how M10 looks like in general with added comments, just in case you get bored of Yandex pictures. Link: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...506826&page=46
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