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Old March 14th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #1581
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Siberia has actually quite warm summers and most parts of southern Siberia are not as remote / uninhabited as is usually portrayed. The Siberian Federal District has over 19 million inhabitants and most of those live within relatively close vicinity of the traditional east-west route. In addition, many parts in southern Siberia are cultivated, it's not like driving through tundra.

I believe the last parts of M58 (Chita - Khabarovsk) were paved a few years ago.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #1582
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Guys, I would like to ask for an advice/suggestion.

I have got an interesting travel idea which, in short, is a road trip from Russia's Eastern order (the actual origin would be Lithuania) all the way to Vladivostok: http://goo.gl/maps/ypi0P

Is that a viable idea or is it not really possible? I mean in terms of the road condition, potential dangers etc.? Are there any serious obstacles apart from the distance itself?

Would the road be paved (tarmac) all the way or are there some unpaved sections still (that would be a crucial factor I suppose)?

Just though that not that many people have actually done something like this (i.e. an outright 10000km road trip) which makes it rather tempting and exciting.
The road is paved. But some(relatively short less than 20km) parts could be under repair or in bad condition. Infrastructure(motels, fueling stations and so on) between Chita and Svobodny exists but it's insufficient. So you should be ready for a long run.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 10:04 PM   #1583
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M1 Odintsovo, Moscow

A new motorway is under construction immediately west of Moscow. M1 will get a new alignment, bypassing the city of Odintsovo. According to Russian Wikipedia, it's due for completion in September 2013.

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Old March 14th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #1584
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Siberia has actually quite warm summers and most parts of southern Siberia are not as remote / uninhabited as is usually portrayed. The Siberian Federal District has over 19 million inhabitants and most of those live within relatively close vicinity of the traditional east-west route. In addition, many parts in southern Siberia are cultivated, it's not like driving through tundra.

I believe the last parts of M58 (Chita - Khabarovsk) were paved a few years ago.

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Well, the road is paved (as of 2011 there were some unpaved sections a few kilometers each but these were under construction and must've been completed since then). Siberian summers are dry and hot. And the most serious obstacle is boredom.

Actually, this guy travelled all the way from Moscow to North Korean border in 2010 and filmed his entire journey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ehSZ9HOBw (see next part in "video responces" section)
Thanks guys that' gives me some idea. It seems driving conditions and the road is ok and it shouldn't be a problem (apart from the length of the route).

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The road is paved. But some(relatively short less than 20km) parts could be under repair or in bad condition. Infrastructure(motels, fueling stations and so on) between Chita and Svobodny exists but it's insufficient. So you should be ready for a long run.
I guess this is about the only thing that I would need to research a bit more. I.e. roadside infrastructure in that region (fuel stations would be a primary concern I guess).

Anyway, I will probably start looking for a suitable (cheap but reliable) car for next year.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #1585
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Interesting interchange in Saratov (northern beltway).
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Old March 15th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #1586
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I think that in the beginning there were only a roundabout and then added a trestle bridge to the main road was a collision-free.
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Russian motorway length

I attempted to make an assessment of the motorway length in the Russian Federation.

A motorway is defined as having at least 2x2 lanes, divided carriageways and full grade-separation.

I excluded roads that have substandard elements like pedestrian crossings, U-turns, left turns, undivided roadways and at-grade intersections. The bulk of the Russian 4-lane highways have these elements, so the total amount of full standard motorways is relatively low.

The total amount of full-standard motorways is assessed at 1940 kilometers. 1380 kilometers of that is located in the European part of Russia, the rest (560 km) is east of the Urals (including Chelyabinsk and Sverdlovsk oblasts).
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Old March 15th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #1588
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I attempted to make an assessment of the motorway length in the Russian Federation.

A motorway is defined as having at least 2x2 lanes, divided carriageways and full grade-separation.
what would be the longest section of such a road?
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Old March 16th, 2013, 12:13 AM   #1589
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There are a few sections over 100 km, including KAD and MKAD, M2, M4 and M9. The longest in Siberia is the unnumbered Leninsk-Kuznetsky - Novokuznetsk motorway.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 12:16 AM   #1590
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What's the current status of the Moskow - St. Petersburg motorway?
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Old March 16th, 2013, 12:25 AM   #1591
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I attempted to make an assessment of the motorway length in the Russian Federation.

A motorway is defined as having at least 2x2 lanes, divided carriageways and full grade-separation.

I excluded roads that have substandard elements like pedestrian crossings, U-turns, left turns, undivided roadways and at-grade intersections. The bulk of the Russian 4-lane highways have these elements, so the total amount of full standard motorways is relatively low.

The total amount of full-standard motorways is assessed at 1940 kilometers. 1380 kilometers of that is located in the European part of Russia, the rest (560 km) is east of the Urals (including Chelyabinsk and Sverdlovsk oblasts).

Well it may not sund like much
but It's definitely substantially more than I thought..
you didnt by any chance make a map(or a list) of these roads?

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There are a few sections over 100 km, including KAD and MKAD, M2, M4 and M9. The longest in Siberia is the unnumbered Leninsk-Kuznetsky - Novokuznetsk motorway.
Well, MKAD is definitely NOT a motorway, not even not even an expressway as it is still signed..
was probably very close to it the very first year after it`d been rebuilt..so to say before it got choked with all the shopping malls etc and their questionably authorized exits

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Well, MKAD is definitely NOT a motorway, not even not even an expressway as it is still signed..
was probably very close to it the very first year after it`d been rebuilt..so to say before it got choked with all the shopping malls etc and their questionably authorized exits
Many urban motorways in Europe have many exits close each other. Unless it has at-grade junctions, it can be a motorway.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 01:56 AM   #1595
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There are a few sections over 100 km, including KAD and MKAD, M2, M4 and M9. The longest in Siberia is the unnumbered Leninsk-Kuznetsky - Novokuznetsk motorway.
MKAD is an expressway. The last one also seems to have blue signs, not green:


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12363886
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Old March 16th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #1596
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m4 is 1500km long and probably mostly it can be classified as motorway
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Mokow-Saint Petersbourg road will be a motorway when completed.
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Old March 16th, 2013, 02:46 AM   #1598
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MKAD is an expressway. The last one also seems to have blue signs, not green:
TTK is also expressway
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Old March 16th, 2013, 03:24 PM   #1599
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Will be A(pardon) M10 modernised about 19 km from МКАД?
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An entirely new route is under construction in the northern suburban region of Moscow. It will also serve Sheremetyevo Airport. New M10 is east of the existing road.
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