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Old June 29th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #1661
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Interesting, Konigsberg\Kaliningrad has always been isolated from the rest of the country it belonged, Germany first and USSR\Russia later.

This was the project of the Berlinka Reichautobahn in Nazi Germany

Unfortunately this project was also one of the pretexts to invade Poland in 1939.


Still surviving 1930s road in Russian territory:


This part, in Poland, was reconverted into a modern expressway few years ago
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Old June 30th, 2013, 03:15 AM   #1662
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Interesting, Konigsberg\Kaliningrad has always been isolated from the rest of the country it belonged, Germany first and USSR\Russia later.
Kaliningrad wasn't an exclave in the USSR. Russian exclave yes, but not a Soviet exclave. Anyway, I find it strange that there's no ferry between Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 09:34 AM   #1663
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He, he... You propably have no clue about all reasons what caused WW2?
I don't think the Dutch, Belgians and French could give a **** about Kaliningrad at the time...
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Old June 30th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #1664
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Siberia is a big pile of nothing.
A bit like Canadian interior. With all their natural resources Russians could really make something out of Siberia, all it needs is a proper 21st century infrastructure.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #1665
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Baltic states & Poland are trying to promote Kalingrad separatism, which is not existing at the moment, for example by issuing free entrance to neighboring countries and make people better integrated to the neighboring countries rather than to Russia. In the same time this region is heavily dependent on federal money and relatively poor, even by Russian standarts.
Ideally, the Królewiec enclave (woj. staropruskie?) should be split between us and Lithuania. There is no reason why those Russians should own a chunk of Central Europe they nicked from the Germans right under our noses.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #1666
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Old June 30th, 2013, 07:27 PM   #1667
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Baltic states & Poland are trying to promote Kalingrad separatism, which is not existing at the moment, for example by issuing free entrance to neighboring countries and make people better integrated to the neighboring countries rather than to Russia. In the same time this region is heavily dependent on federal money and relatively poor, even by Russian standarts.
No-one promotes anything. To be honest, no-one has to. People just cross the border and see everything for themselves.


Mysovka, Kaliningrad District


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10km north



Mingė, Lithuania


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Old June 30th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #1668
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Lithuania is richer than Russia I think (in quality of life) and in infraestructures but I don't think that Kaliningrad is poorest than the rest of Russia, I read in wikipedia that Kaliningrad is richer than the rest of Russia. I have to visit the old Konigsberg and see with my own eyes.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #1669
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Lithuania is richer than Russia I think (in quality of life) and in infraestructures but I don't think that Kaliningrad is poorest than the rest of Russia, I read in wikipedia that Kaliningrad is richer than the rest of Russia. I have to visit the old Konigsberg and see with my own eyes.
Only since it joined the EU... Mind you, driving around Vilnius you still imagine yourself being in some obscure country. I like all Baltic countries, but from my impressions I could see that Estonia has made the most effort, followed by Latvia. Centre of Vilnius is really nice, but I got put off by these gangster looking types on the streets...
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Old July 1st, 2013, 01:44 AM   #1670
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Only since it joined the EU...
Nope. If you look at the historical statistics you'll get to see exactly the same trend since 1990. Moreover, exactly the same trends were present during the Soviet era all the way from WW2 to the end of Cold War and even several hundreds of years back if you like (although it would be hard to find reliable numbers). So the current situation is not due to EU but more or less a historical continuation of how it's always been.

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I like all Baltic countries, but from my impressions I could see that Estonia has made the most effort, followed by Latvia. Centre of Vilnius is really nice, but I got put off by these gangster looking types on the streets...
Roads in Vilnius are far from great (although improving) but overall level of road infrastructure in the country is pretty good. Far better than in any neighboring country, let alone Latvia which has by far the worst roads in the region (not excluding Belarus) what is very much evident as soon as you go to any random stretch of road in the Google Street View. You have either never driven there or simply mixed up country names (it's a common occurrence with Lithuania vs Latvia).

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Old July 1st, 2013, 06:38 AM   #1671
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Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. I know what I'm talking about.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 05:35 PM   #1672
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Pansori, I didnt see Road_Uk tlaking about bad roads in Lithuania, he simply said that he was put off by some gangster looking guys in Vilnius. Here I must say, that whenever I visit LT I see many similar looking people on the streets, something you would not find in Latvia or Estonia. On the other hand, your roads are probably best in Baltic's. Also a little bit offtopic, the situation on Latvian roads is better than in those three year old images in StreetView.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 09:31 PM   #1673
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Did the Soviet Union have motorway-like roads outside the Baltic republics (which had even city-expressways)? That's something I've always wondered.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 09:32 PM   #1674
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That's right. Roads are fine.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 09:34 PM   #1675
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Did the Soviet Union have motorway-like roads outside the Baltic republics (which had even city-expressways)? That's something I've always wondered.
What a interesting question, I think no, but I don't know surely. Soviet Union had 2x2 roads but I think not in the standard of motorways.
Perhaps in Moscow?
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 09:38 PM   #1676
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Current M3 in Ukraine (the Kiev motorway segment) opened in the 1970s.

I don't know when the motorways of Belarus were constructed. M1, M2 & M9 (MKAD) may have been partial motorways before 1991.

Russian M2 and M4 near Moscow may also date back to the USSR.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 10:20 PM   #1677
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Did the Soviet Union have motorway-like roads outside the Baltic republics (which had even city-expressways)? That's something I've always wondered.
These photos were supposedly taken in 1992, so the motorway must be from Soviet times:



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Old July 2nd, 2013, 10:24 PM   #1678
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What a few cars. What the signs means? Moscow?
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 10:29 PM   #1679
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Yes, Moskva and Domodedovo.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 10:31 PM   #1680
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What a few cars. What the signs means? Moscow?
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