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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #1721
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It's neither expressway, motorway and M4. It's a side road - exit from M4.
http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CVVLEY8u
Well, obviously, but the sign says you enter a motorway there.

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roads with green signs are expressways.
Roads with the blue car signs are expressways. In Moscow these usually have white directional signage.

Roads with green directional signs are motorways (such as the motorway entrance sign posted above).
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Old July 7th, 2013, 03:12 AM   #1722
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Officially, the blue sign with a car only means a road reserved for motor vehicles. In practice such roads are usually good enough to have a high speed limit (e.g. 110 km/h in Slovenia or even 130 km/h in Czechia and Slovakia), but sometimes (particularly in Germany) they can have speed limits like 60 km/h (especially in cities), and I definitely wouldn't call that an expressway. Some countries have a general speed limit assigned for roads with this sign and some don't.

On the other hand, not all countries use this sign, but that doesn't mean they don't have roads, which you could call expressways. If a road doesn't have this sign, but fulfills requirements, I don't see why you can't call it an expressway.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:10 PM   #1723
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Well, obviously, but the sign says you enter a motorway there.

Roads with the blue car signs are expressways. In Moscow these usually have white directional signage.

Roads with green directional signs are motorways (such as the motorway entrance sign posted above).
No.

Green - expressways
White - roads within city limits
Blue - other roads, including motorways (highways)
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:29 PM   #1724
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I am under the impression you don't know what the terms expressway and motorway mean in English. A motorway does not mean magistrale or M-road (although some are a motorway). It means a dual carriageway with 2 or more lanes per direction and grade-separated interchanges. Some M-roads in Russia have motorway standards, but most don't.

MKAD doesn't have motorway status, but expressway status (blue car sign), but it would have motorway status in most other countries.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:58 PM   #1725
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That is road sign - znak.
Colors related to information shields - ukazatel'.

That is 5.3 sign - it always blue no matter what road and where.

If you look above you will see white signs (information shields). It doesn't have expressway, neither motorway status. It's has city street status, as it's entirely located within city limits. Same for TTK and other Moscow urban expressways.


Yet again I just repeat

- I listed most notorious expressways.
- Expressways or as you call them motorways are green in Russia, not blue.
- All roads within city limits have white shields.
- All other roads - highways, rural roads have blue shields.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #1726
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Old July 7th, 2013, 02:17 PM   #1727
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@coth no offence but you have completely no idea what you are talking about. It's like trying someone to convince that black is actually white. As you see you have expressway signs and they appear to be blue, so don't confuse ppl sainyg that these roads like M9 or M2 are expressways because they even don't fullfill low Russian standards. There are only about 600 km roads that are signed as motorways and expressways in Russia.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 03:21 PM   #1728
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There are only about 600 km roads that are signed as motorways and expressways in Russia.
There is a list of motorways in Russia in Wikipedia:

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%...81%D0%B8%D0%B8

If that list is correct the length of roads classified as "avtomagistral" (what would be called motorway in English) is 653km.

Of course we should probably add MKAD to that list (which is not officially classified as "avtomagistral" but has a blue "cars only" sign making it a 'limited access highway' (=expressway in most European countries). So it's 762km. I wouldn't be surprised if another several hundred kms would technically fulfil basic standards of expressway/motorway so probably making it somewhere above 1000km.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 03:46 PM   #1729
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Motorway(Автомагистраль) has 5.1 sign shield and green directional signes everywhere (example of one in St. Petersburg)
Expressway(Скоростная дорога) has 5.3 sign shield and blue directional signes (white within the cities).
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Old July 7th, 2013, 03:51 PM   #1730
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Finally we got this solved , there are 653km motorwas/expressways in Russia formally signed + 100 km of MKAD not formally signed.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #1731
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+ a lot more that are not formally signed as such.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #1732
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@coth no offence but you have completely no idea what you are talking about. It's like trying someone to convince that black is actually white. As you see you have expressway signs and they appear to be blue, so don't confuse ppl sainyg that these roads like M9 or M2 are expressways because they even don't fullfill low Russian standards. There are only about 600 km roads that are signed as motorways and expressways in Russia.
It's obviously you have no idea of Russian traffic rules.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 04:44 PM   #1733
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Expressway(Скоростная дорога) has 5.3 sign shield and blue directional signes (white within the cities).
Officially, this is just a road reserved for motor vehicles though (motorroad).
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Old July 7th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #1734
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+ a lot more that are not formally signed as such.
You mentioned 2000km which sounds like a generous estimate. In either case we probably have some idea what it's like.

I was wondering though if there is some documented plan for motorway/expressway development in Russia (like what we see in Poland with tons of maps, descriptions and dates)?
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Old July 7th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #1735
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Russian laws limits speed to 110 kmph on roads of any types.
Nope.
Russia has speed limits 90 kph, excluding motorways (110 kph).

P.S. motorway is автомагистраль, expressway is дорога для автомобилей.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #1736
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You misread BlackShark. 110 is maximum judicially allowed speed in Russia. There are a lot of road that have lower limits, but 110 is maximum allowed in Russia.
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You mentioned 2000km which sounds like a generous estimate. In either case we probably have some idea what it's like.
Most radial routes out of Moscow are limited-access highways (some have substandard features). Their length varies, but for example M2, M4 and M9 are quite long limited-access roads. In addition, Siberia also has a growing amount of limited-access highways which could be considered motorways or expressways. Also a large number of Russian cities have bypasses that are not always formally numbered but do look like motorways. For example the bypass of Nizhny Novgorod, the bypass of Abakan or the road from Novokuznetsk to Leninsk-Kutznetskiy.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #1738
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expressway is дорога для автомобилей.
Road for motor vehicles.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 05:30 PM   #1739
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If you can't decide, just call them "green highways" and "blue highways"
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Old July 7th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #1740
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You misread BlackShark. 110 is maximum judicially allowed speed in Russia. There are a lot of road that have lower limits, but 110 is maximum allowed in Russia.
It doesn't make sense in most cases. By default (if there are no speed limit signs) speed limit on non-motorway roads outside cities is 90 kph.

Theoretically roads can have higher speed limits, yes (and in some places it's true, e.g. MKAD). But speed on the vast majority of roads is limited at 90 kph.

In the context of the talk, one should find out what speed limit is on road he is driving (if he is not entering the road at its start). In Russia, he can simply look at roadsign colors. For green, speed limit is 110. For blue, speed limit is most likely 90 (if not 90, usually appropriate signs are installed rather often so anybody can see them regardless of where is he driving from).
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