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Old July 7th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #1741
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If you can't decide, just call them "green highways" and "blue highways"
Cool . We have "blue Autobahns" and "yellow Autobahns" in Germany too!
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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:34 AM   #1742
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Old July 9th, 2013, 01:04 PM   #1743
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Moscow to ST Petesburg motorway

Does anybody have the Moscow to St Petersburg motorway current updates? Its been so silent on this project and i would appreciate it if somebody can update us of the current status.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #1744
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If you can't decide, just call them "green highways" and "blue highways"
There is no need to decide, There are standard terms for each of those types of Highways. In Russia the green ones are Motorways/Freeways, and the Blue ones are Expressways/Dual Carriageways. And each have their own speed limits and construction standards.
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Old July 11th, 2013, 12:00 PM   #1745
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Does anybody have the Moscow to St Petersburg motorway current updates? Its been so silent on this project and i would appreciate it if somebody can update us of the current status.
They're actively building it...

Since it's a completely new highway, it's kind of in the middle of nowhere, making it hard to get to.
I pass by it about once a quarter about 80 km from the MKAD (Moscow Ring Road)... but its kind of hard to stop and take pictures.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #1746
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I am under the impression you don't know what the terms expressway and motorway mean in English. A motorway does not mean magistrale or M-road (although some are a motorway). It means a dual carriageway with 2 or more lanes per direction and grade-separated interchanges. Some M-roads in Russia have motorway standards, but most don't.

MKAD doesn't have motorway status, but expressway status (blue car sign), but it would have motorway status in most other countries.
It would not. It has plenty of accesses to private businesses, parking lanes, crappy exits...
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:07 PM   #1747
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That doesn't matter so much on a 10-lane road (5 lanes per direction). If you don't like all that slow traffic on the right lane(s), you can drive in the middle lane. Someone (by car, not truck) who decides to drive 50 km on MKAD, probably won't drive in the rightmost lane all the time.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #1748
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M8 Yaroslavskoye Shosse

New flyover of the M8 extension in Moscow (Yaroslavskoye Shosse). What is the purpose of this center lane? Will it be reversible, or a space to install barriers?

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Old July 18th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #1749
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Old July 19th, 2013, 06:26 AM   #1750
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Unfortunately yes. Let's have more head-on collisions and deaths in accidents...
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Old July 19th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #1751
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That's city street. That's not "M8" extension, nor city expressway. Just large city street - avenue, or as we say magistral street. Reversible lane goes into center on first half of the day and backward on another half. There are few more large streets with reversible lanes.

Expressway, or as you call it Motorway starts after MKAD and ends about 25 km of Pereslav'-Zalessky. There are few little incomplete sections, but just few kilometers.


Not sure if there are reversible lanes in Nizhniy Novgorod, so you possible not well familiar with them, but there is nothing difficult with them. There is a special light installed every few hundred meters.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 11:40 AM   #1752
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It would not. It has plenty of accesses to private businesses, parking lanes, crappy exits...
There is no direct access to buildings. Every large mall has its own exit from MKAD. There are no parking lanes, no crappy exists as well. Some are old and not well organized (there are few classic clovers left), but still fully featured grade separated road junctions.

MKAD is busiest and most powerful motorway/expressway in Europe. Along with TTK.
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Are there traffic counts of the MKAD available?
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Old July 19th, 2013, 03:16 PM   #1754
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There is no direct access to buildings. Every large mall has its own exit from MKAD. There are no parking lanes, no crappy exists as well. Some are old and not well organized (there are few classic clovers left), but still fully featured grade separated road junctions.

MKAD is busiest and most powerful motorway/expressway in Europe. Along with TTK.
There are still some problems with MKAD and TTK which prevent them from being motorways - the presence of public transport stops, short (sometimes - very short) distance between the junctions and short or non-existent acceleration lines.
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Bus stops are not entirely uncommon along motorways. Some countries like the Netherlands and Japan have them, but they are separated from the regular driving lanes.

Every country has motorways with substandard features such as poor interchange designs, lack of shoulders and non-existent ramps and merging lanes.

For example A4 in Germany:
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Or A8 in Germany:
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While this is certainly not the norm, they do exist.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #1756
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Expressway, or as you call it Motorway starts after MKAD and ends about 25 km of Pereslav'-Zalessky.
That's an expressway with a few traffic lights.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 04:28 PM   #1757
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Not sure if there are reversible lanes in Nizhniy Novgorod, so you possible not well familiar with them, but there is nothing difficult with them. There is a special light installed every few hundred meters.
http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CVVdUCyJ
I'm aware of reversible lanes since they are in Russian traffic rules.

Every year 27000 people (!) dies in accidents on Russian roads, and a lot of deaths are a result of head-on collisions. This is mostly because of absence of barriers between opposite directions. There is also a Russian phenomena of 6, 8, 10 and more-lane single carriageways; because of widespread over-speeding even inside the cities, drunk driving, poor skills of amateur drivers, etc such roads become very dangerous..

Barriers between carriageways would improve the situation a lot. But wide single carriageways (in Russia they are called prospekty) are continuing to be developed. Why is it so difficult to place a simple barrier of even grass?

Reversive lanes are dangerous from the same point of view; of course if moving barriers are not used.

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Old July 19th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #1758
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There are still some problems with MKAD and TTK which prevent them from being motorways - the presence of public transport stops, short (sometimes - very short) distance between the junctions and short or non-existent acceleration lines.
Those are urban motorways. Not suburban and not rural. MKAD is also in process of upgrade to bring longer acceleration lines in busy places.

Distance between junctions is not short at all for urban motorway.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #1759
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That's an expressway with a few traffic lights.
As far as I remember there are no traffic lights, but there are few u-turn, as some call them here. It's not as powerful as sections of M1, M2, M4 and M9, but still grade separated with separated directions.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #1760
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I'm aware of reversible lanes since they are in Russian traffic rules.

Every year 27000 people (!) dies in accidents on Russian roads, and a lot of deaths are a result of head-on collisions. This is mostly because of absence of barriers between opposite directions. There is also a Russian phenomena of 6, 8, 10 and more-lane single carriageways; because of widespread over-speeding even inside the cities, drunk driving, poor skills of amateur drivers, etc such roads become very dangerous..

Barriers between carriageways would improve the situation a lot. But wide single carriageways (in Russia they are called prospekty) are continuing to be developed. Why is it so difficult to place a simple barrier of even grass?

Reversive lanes are dangerous from the same point of view; of course if moving barriers are not used.
When that stands for intercity highways I agree and I prefer to avoid highways with no barriers or separated directions. But that is just city street. No barrier or grass simply because it's overloaded and needs one more lane. In some places there is just no place outside, in some just it just not in high priority to spend money on.
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