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Old January 14th, 2014, 03:42 AM   #1841
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- Which is the current lenght (approximately) of the motorway or expressway network in Russia?
There is own road classification in Russia
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I категория: протяжённость 4,8 тыс. км с долей в сети дорог с твёрдым покрытием 0,9%;
II категория: протяжённость 27,8 тыс. км с долей в сети дорог с твёрдым покрытием 5,1%;
III категория: протяжённость 109,8 тыс. км с долей в сети дорог с твёрдым покрытием 20,0%;
IV категория: протяжённость 320,2 тыс. км с долей в сети дорог с твёрдым покрытием 59,0%;
V категория: протяжённость 81,6 тыс. км с долей в сети дорог с твёрдым покрытием 15,0%
http://autospectrans.su/publ/dorogi/...klassy/6-1-0-4

I would guess 4800km of motorways
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:27 AM   #1842
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There was a tender recently finished for upgrading A-181, from St.Petersburg till the Finnish border (design phase). There will be 5 stretches, designing of each stretch cost 1.5-4.5 mln euro and should take 2 years. There should be 2x3 motorway.

http://spb-projects.ru/forum/viewtop...3724&start=330
Finnish part (Hamina-Vaalimaa) should be ready by 2017 I guess, sadly not 2x3.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:51 AM   #1843
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Finnish part (Hamina-Vaalimaa) should be ready by 2017 I guess, sadly not 2x3.
Are they going to build Hamina bypass too? It is kinda complicated...
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Old January 14th, 2014, 11:55 AM   #1844
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Are they going to build Hamina bypass too? It is kinda complicated...
Yes, the bypass is under construction, scheduled to be finished by early 2015 (link). It is complicated indeed; the road will reach quite far north, because of the Kirkkojärvi lake right north of the town.

While the Loviisa-Kotka section also under construction, and Hamina-Russian border section approved, the whole Helsinki-St. Petersburg section will be motorway in the near future. Actually, a continuous motorway will reach from Helsinki via St. Petersburg to Moscow and even beyond, depending on the other Russian motorway projects.

Speaking of which: there's a list of Russian motorways and motorway construction projects in Wikipedia. Can Russian forumers please check if it is accurate?
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Old January 14th, 2014, 12:57 PM   #1845
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It is complicated indeed; the road will reach quite far north, because of the Kirkkojärvi lake right north of the town.
Finns already dried out one Kirkkojärvi lake when constructing Turku motorway in 1960s, maybe try again with next one
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Speaking of which: there's a list of Russian motorways and motorway construction projects in Wikipedia. Can Russian forumers please check if it is accurate?
I don't know, there is a lack of this kind of centralized information in Russia, but it doesn't look complete (missing from e.g. Moscow region, Kalinigrad, Far East, Saint-Petersburg, e.g. A-129, Tatarstan, southern regions and other regions)
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Old January 14th, 2014, 04:34 PM   #1846
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There is own road classification in Russia

http://autospectrans.su/publ/dorogi/...klassy/6-1-0-4

I would guess 4800km of motorways
First class road doesn't mean the same like motorway. Most of them only dual carriageway.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 04:38 PM   #1847
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First class road doesn't mean the same like motorway. Most of them only dual carriageway.
Can you elaborate the difference between roads from first category?
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Old January 14th, 2014, 07:42 PM   #1848
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Can you elaborate the difference between roads from first category?
First class roads often 1)don't grade separated
2)Have crossroads in one level
3)Have U-turnings
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Old January 14th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #1849
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It is hard to provide a good number of actual motorways in Russia. Many dual carriageways are not motorways for the reasons ilyan provided above.

I did an assessment and calculated 2042 km at 1/1/14. But if you vary the standards a bit, the motorway length with vary as well. There are probably many dual carriageways in Russia that do have motorway standards (2x2 lanes, continuous grade-separation, no U-turns, no pedestrian crossings) but do not have the motorway sign, making it harder to exactly judge the length of the Russian motorway network.

Note that federal magistrale are often called motorways, but these are not what is generally understood as motorway standard.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 09:29 PM   #1850
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I did an assessment and calculated 2042 km at 1/1/14.
Where did you get 2,000 km? This article gives just 807 km. If you add MKAD, that's another 109 km.
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That's probably the difference between signed motorways and roads that are up to motorway standards, but not signed as such.

As I said;

There are probably many dual carriageways in Russia that do have motorway standards (2x2 lanes, continuous grade-separation, no U-turns, no pedestrian crossings) but do not have the motorway sign, making it harder to exactly judge the length of the Russian motorway network.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 06:30 AM   #1852
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As it says here, http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%...81%D0%B8%D0%B8, first category can be broke down into 3 subcategory, IA, IБ IB. They all have 4 lines as minimum, line separation. The difference of IБ and IB is that IB can have crossroads with traffic lights, which is not possible on motorway, so IA and IБ can be classified as motorway.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 07:51 AM   #1853
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Old January 15th, 2014, 09:16 AM   #1854
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Where did you get 2,000 km? This article gives just 807 km. If you add MKAD, that's another 109 km.
There are a lot of missing there.
For example, here is a part of A-121 (Priozerskoe shosse) that goes from St. Petersburg to Karelia
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Old January 15th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #1855
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There are a lot of missing there.
For example, here is a part of A-121 (Priozerskoe shosse) that goes from St. Petersburg to Karelia
Priozerskoe Shosse is not signed as a motorway or expressway. Also it is not up to the standard (u-turns, no acceleration lanes at places).

In my previous question I meant "official" motorways with green background signage. When I compare the Wikipedia list with Openstreetmap, they seem quite equivalent. Only the Kemerovo-Leninsk-Kuznetskiy section is not marked as a motorway in Openstreetmap for some reason...
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Old January 15th, 2014, 01:34 PM   #1856
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When you have low traffic u turns are acceptable. Acceleration lines are mainly necessary on urban motorways. In total there are around 3000 km of expressways/motorways.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #1857
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Priozerskoe Shosse is not signed as a motorway or expressway. Also it is not up to the standard (u-turns, no acceleration lanes at places).
I won't complain about U-turns since they are obviously cheaper, but why the hell are acceleration lanes non-existent when hard shoulders exist? I hope drivers ignore lines and drive on hard shoulders until they gain speed.

As for motorways, I understand why e.g. MKAD is only signed as a road reserved for motor vehicles (it's urban), but I think the road Leninsk-Kuznetsky–Novokuznetsk could be signed as a motorway, or the eastern approach to Barnaul, for example.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #1858
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M4 - most of the route. There are few sections left, but they should be completed within few years.
MKAD
TTK
M2 - about 150 km of Moscow
M9 - about 120 km of Moscow
Yaroslavskoye highway - about 100 km of Moscow
Some sections of M10 - at least 50 km in Tver province.
KAD in Saint Petersburg
ZSD in Saint Petersburg
R384. Kemerovo - Novokuznetsk. Little section left to build.
R240 - about 100 km of Ufa.
M1 - some 50km of Moscow.
New connection of M1 and MKAD.

And some more.
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Yaroslavskoye highway - about 100 km of Moscow
You can call that an expressway, but I wouldn't call it a motorway since it has U-turns and even pedestrian crossings (unless you call sections between them motorways ).
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It goes to nowhere at the moment, so it does can have little of u turns. And if doesn't look like your favorite motorway/expressway it doesn't mean that it's not the one.
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