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Old January 15th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #1861
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Only the Kemerovo-Leninsk-Kuznetskiy section is not marked as a motorway in Openstreetmap for some reason...
The reason why it's not marked as a motorway is Russian OSM community's policy about route classification, that only trunk-level routes can be marked as motorways. However this route is marked as motorroad and has a speedlimit 130 km/h.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 08:41 PM   #1862
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It goes to nowhere at the moment, so it does can have little of u turns.
What do you mean 'it goes to nowhere'? Are you talking about M8? That's a major road.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 03:24 AM   #1863
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Will they construct a second by-pass of Saint Petersburg - could someone post some info or maps?

And will there be improvement on radial roads of Moscow with shitty conditions (M1, M8, etc)?
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Old January 19th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #1864
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Over 6 bln euro has been spent on this Sochi road
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Old January 19th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #1865
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I wonder if costs are adequate
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Old January 20th, 2014, 12:07 AM   #1866
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6 BILLION euros for 48 km?! They wasted all that money in a country with awful roads?
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Old January 20th, 2014, 12:41 AM   #1867
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31 Miles Of Road And Rail Links For The Sochi Winter Olympics Cost More Than Entire Vancouver Games

Russia's Winter Olympic Games, starting in a few weeks in Sochi, are very expensive. With a revised budget of $51 billion, they are the most expensive Olympics on record, an insane fact when you consider Winter Olympics are usually cheaper than the Summer Games.

Where has all the money gone? That's the question Joshua Yaffa tries to answer in a long Businessweek article published today.

As an example, Yaffe points to the huge new road and railway links being built to Krasnaya Polyana, a mountain resort hosting the ski and snowboard events for the games. The 31-mile transport link was a necessary construction as there were no suitable areas for these events in Sochi itself — the engineering for the project was notably difficult.

Even so, the cost of the road and railway links seems bizarre. At over $8.7 billion it's easily more than the entire budget for the 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics, Yaffe notes, and a stupidly big number when you consider that the entire games were originally budgeted at around $11 billion.

Now, almost by design Olympic budgets overrun — last year one report described the proposed budget for an Olympic bid as "more like a fictitious minimum that is consistently overspent" — but Sochi's budget seems inexplicably big. One could take it at face value — the games are clearly meant to be one of the shining glories of the Putin era, so everyone is spending lots of money with government blessing on making it great. On the other hand, you could just assume it's all corruption — Russian opposition figures have called the whole thing a "monstrous scam" with up to $30 billion in funds stolen.

What's nice about Yaffe's article is that it shows how — as always — the reality is more complicated than that. "The private investors helping fund Olympic construction are most likely motivated less by the pursuit of large profits," he writes, "than a tacit understanding that under Putin they have certain obligations to the Kremlin and the nation at large."

Still, the runaway costs will almost certainly not go unpunished. According to the Businessweek article, one Russian official told Stephen Sestanovich, a former U.S. ambassador-at-large to the former Soviet Union and now a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, “When all the celebrations are over, then the prosecutors come in.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sochi...#ixzz2qt28vFYJ
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Old January 20th, 2014, 01:38 AM   #1868
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6 BILLION euros for 48 km?! They wasted all that money in a country with awful roads?
It's Russia what are you expecting Nobody can say nothing or else they will end up like Magnitsky.

meanwhile there are those people living on top of the hill in Sochi, and their homes are moving down the hill, slowly because they excavated fill from the hill at the bottom ( http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-942803.html )
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Old January 20th, 2014, 01:40 AM   #1869
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Is that a motorway or a 1x1 road and railway?
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Old January 20th, 2014, 01:47 AM   #1870
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$51 billion is the annual GDP of Bulgaria.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 03:06 AM   #1871
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It's Russia what are you expecting Nobody can say nothing or else they will end up like Magnitsky.

meanwhile there are those people living on top of the hill in Sochi, and their homes are moving down the hill, slowly because they excavated fill from the hill at the bottom ( http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-942803.html )
Keep away politics and ethnicism from this thread.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 02:28 PM   #1872
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6 BILLION euros for 48 km?! They wasted all that money in a country with awful roads?
road + railroad. It doesn't seem to be a full motorway either, there are 2x2 lanes close to Adler, but the rest is a high quality single carriageway road. 6 billion is definitely too much, but on the other hand it will be a long-term investment, this kind of infrastructure is useful after the Olympics as well. Krasnaya Polyana is one of Europe's premier ski resorts.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 05:58 PM   #1873
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From Black Sea cost to Moscow (~1500km)
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Old January 20th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #1874
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6 billion is definitely too much, but on the other hand it will be a long-term investment
Same holds for all other roads.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #1875
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Russia could build 2 nuclear submarines instead
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Old January 20th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #1876
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You already have them.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 09:27 PM   #1877
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Russia could build 2 nuclear submarines instead
That'd be a wise decision instead.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 01:23 PM   #1878
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There seems to be little to no coverage of one of Russia's largest road project - Moscow - St Petersburg

Let me see what I can dig up
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Old January 26th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #1879
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yes i was asking about it but no answer so far...
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Old January 26th, 2014, 01:32 PM   #1880
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Here is a clip in Russian. You can see footage of construction and a organizational and cost breakdown for the section 15-58km section
http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=563275

A map of this section
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