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Old August 13th, 2007, 11:03 PM   #41
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Dutch law forbids to apply tolls on existing infrastructure. Only new infrastructure is allowed to be tolled.
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Old August 13th, 2007, 11:04 PM   #42
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^That's where I begin to like EU. Inside EU, a country can't build a tolled road when there isn't a way to avoid it.
I agree, that makes sense. However, there are ways to avoid the tolls, but you need to know about them. For instance: From the Swedish border just east of Svinesund you can take route 22 past Oslo to Lillestrøm, thus even avoiding the Oslo tolls. But it's not nearly as efficient, even though it's a pleasant drive on a decent road.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 02:25 PM   #43
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With the "city tolls" in Norwegian cities isn't that a form of congestion charging like London's, to discourage people from driving into the centre? In one city didn't they build a city bypass then put tolls on all streets leading into the city centre? The bypass was funded by a loan which will be paid back from the toll revenue, so I believe. Correct me if anything is wrong.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 05:31 PM   #44
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I don't think it has much to do with congestion charge. The toll on the ring roads is not very much, like 10 to 20 NOK (€1 - €3) And I don't think there is much congestion either.

The toll on some (parts of) rural roads can be a lot higher. This is what I could find:

Tolring Bergen: 15 NOK
Tolring Stavanger: 10 NOK
Tolring Oslo: 20 NOK
Tolring Kristiansand: 10 NOK
Tolring Trondheim: 15 NOK

E6 Trondheim - Stordal: 25 NOK
E10 Nappstraumentunnel: 65 NOK
E18 Drammen - Tonsberg: 20 NOK
E18 Aust - Agder: 20 NOK
E39 Nordhordlandsbrug: 45 NOK
E39 Sunnhordlandsbrug: 80 NOK
E39 Rennfast/Stavanger: 90 NOK
E69 Nordkapptunnel: 140 NOK
E134 Akrafjorden: 40 NOK

RV5 Naustdalstunnel: 40 NOK
RV5 Tunnel Fjaerland - Sogndal: 150 NOK
RV17 Helgelandsbrug: 78 NOK
RV64 Skalaweg: 55 NOK
RV108 Hvalertunnel: 50 NOK
RV562 Askoybru: 100 NOK
RV714 Hitra: 70 NOK
RV755 Skarnsundbru: 62 NOK

Current: 8 NOK = €1

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Old August 14th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #45
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That's still quite cheap compared to the ridiculous € 28 and € 33 you have to pay for the two bridges in Denmark. Ik would go a daytrip to Sweden, but that costs me € 122 on toll bridges alone...
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Old August 15th, 2007, 07:51 PM   #46
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I was driving from the German border and north along E45 today, and though about this thread. So I took a few snapshots. The photos are from between Kolding and Vejle (in Jutland), and this motorway could really use an upgrade soon. Some parts are quite rundown, but there's also quite a lot of trafic here, and lot's of trucks (for Danish standards atleast). Let's go:














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Old August 16th, 2007, 03:15 AM   #47
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^ Nice ones.

Looks like ur car have very clean windows. :P
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Old August 16th, 2007, 03:20 PM   #48
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The photos are from between Kolding and Vejle (in Jutland), and this motorway could really use an upgrade soon.
Why actually? The pavement on the photo's looks very good. Or are there a lot of traffic jams? Just curious.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 08:50 PM   #49
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/\ Well, the streces I showed aren't the worst. It seems the further south you get, the worse the road condition. There's is also a lot of trafic, specially around the Vejle area, but I was talking about the actual road itself. Here's a photo closer to the German border:

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Old August 16th, 2007, 10:09 PM   #50
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With the "city tolls" in Norwegian cities isn't that a form of congestion charging like London's, to discourage people from driving into the centre? In one city didn't they build a city bypass then put tolls on all streets leading into the city centre? The bypass was funded by a loan which will be paid back from the toll revenue, so I believe. Correct me if anything is wrong.
The city tolls could have been something resembling a congestion tax, but there is no efficient way of bypassing the city's toll booths (Oslo's outer ring road is tolled, for intance). There is talk of replacing the system with a congestion tax, but since a considerable amount of future road construction in and around Oslo relies heavily on the funds from the tolls, it is not very likely. And you may be right about the bypass, but there is no such thing in Norway.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM   #51
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Current: 12,5 NOK = €1
The toll quotes are probably accurate, but €1 is 8 NOK.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 10:56 PM   #52
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Aah, dammit. 1 NOK = €0,125, that's why I got confused, I think.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 11:08 PM   #53
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Aah, dammit. 1 NOK = €0,125, that's why I got confused, I think.
You probably did
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Old August 19th, 2007, 05:24 PM   #54
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RV755 Skarnsundbru: 62 NOK
Not very important to this thread, but this bridge is all paid for and now free to use.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 04:23 PM   #55
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So in Norway, when a bridge's cost is paid, it becomes toll free?
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Old August 21st, 2007, 05:58 PM   #56
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So in Norway, when a bridge's cost is paid, it becomes toll free?
Yes. The same goes for roads, motorways as well as highways. Typical examples are the Sortland bridge on the E10 in Nordland county (soon to be 85 and/or 82, when the new LOFAST link will reroute the E10), the Oslo-Drammen motorway on the E18 and a stretch of the E6 north of Fauske in Nordland.

However, the city tolls have been kept in Oslo, and they will remain for the forseeable future, even though they were originally going to go this year -having more than paid for the original projects. In addition, I'm not entirely confident that the tolls on Norway's few PPP projects will be removed when the roads are paid for...
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 09:08 AM   #57
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Just a question coming through my head: what are the speed limits for trucks in Scandinavia? I thought in Sweden it was 90km/h, but how about the others?
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 09:23 PM   #58
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Just a question coming through my head: what are the speed limits for trucks in Scandinavia? I thought in Sweden it was 90km/h, but how about the others?
80 in Norway.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 11:18 PM   #59
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Helsinki report:

Had a nice weekend in Helsinki when watching my brother struggle the Marathon.

Helsinki road system is VERY VERY good compared to the one in Stockholm, with no traffic jams at all to be reported.

From southwest to southeast the major routes are explained:

Road 51: motorway with 2-3+2-3 lanes. Very good capacity, no jams

Road 1: motorway 2+2, very good, no jams.

Road 3/E12: motorway 2+2, very good, no jams.

Road 45: motorway 2+2, very good, no jams.

Road 4/E75: motorway 2-3+2-3, very good, no jams.

Road 7/E18: motorway 2+2, very good, no jams.

Road 170: motorway 2+2, very good, no jams.

Circularroad 1/101: 2+2, very good, no jams.

Circular road 2/102: 2+2, very good, no jams. Only western link.

Circular road 3/50: 2+2, very good, no jams.

Im very impressed I must say!!

Compared to Stockholm much less traffic, but anyway better system of ring roads. All roads could also easily be extended to 3+3. Good work Finland!
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Old August 24th, 2007, 03:36 AM   #60
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Nice thread! I will follow it for sure.

Found this on Youtube. Highway E20/E6 outside Gothenburg.


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