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Old March 1st, 2010, 05:11 PM   #301
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sometimes I think that the people in HongKong are simply a bunch of whiners who doesn't know how good they're having it.

Us here in Toronto we'd be dancing in the streets if somebody offered us a high speed railway to our downtown.
Well, just because we have plenty of money to invest in our infrastructure doesn't mean it should be wasted!
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Old March 1st, 2010, 05:58 PM   #302
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Well, just because we have plenty of money to invest in our infrastructure doesn't mean it should be wasted!

The American's way is to invest in infrastructures to create jobs when they don't have money, or spend somewhere else like military, and infrastructures come last, when it's in good time.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:08 PM   #303
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Well, now they're putting some money in it, much like back in the 30s!
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Old March 4th, 2010, 06:29 AM   #304
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Well, just because we have plenty of money to invest in our infrastructure doesn't mean it should be wasted!
How is it a waste?
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Old March 4th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #305
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How is it a waste?
err .. price tag HK$66.9 billion = USD 8 billion
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Old March 11th, 2010, 04:57 PM   #306
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Last holdouts in village will sign for rail compensation tomorrow
27 February 2010
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Tsoi Yuen Tsuen residents holding out against the destruction of their village for the Hong Kong-Guangzhou high-speed railway said yesterday they would sign up for compensation packages tomorrow, the deadline for doing so, and would move out of their homes by the required date.

They said this was the last compromise they would make, and was a gesture of good faith that the government would find a site nearby to rebuild their village.

Villager Ko Chun-heung said the 90 remaining families would sign. "This is the last compromise we will make. We will not make any more compromises," she said.

The villagers have been refusing to make way for the government to build an emergency rescue station for the cross-border express link. The Legislative Council approved HK$66.9 billion in funding for the construction project in January.

Villagers softened their stance earlier this week, saying they would go if the village could be rebuilt elsewhere to maintain their community and way of life as farmers.

Ko said the villagers would trust the Heung Yee Kuk and the Transport and Housing Bureau to find by March a site for rebuilding of the village, so that they could purchase the site with the compensation money by May and vacate Tsoi Yuen Tsuen by October, the deadline for them to move out.

Meanwhile, kuk chairman Lau Wong-fat said a search for a plot large enough and cheap enough was continuing. "Pat Heung, Kam Tin and San Tin could be a choice," Lau said.

A spokeswoman for the Transport and Housing Bureau said the villagers had agreed to work together to relocate the village by October.

The bureau has offered eligible villagers up to HK$600,000 in compensation, or HK$500,000 plus a right to buy subsidised housing without a means test.

Anti-railway activists continue to help the villagers. Planners are helping them draw up blueprints for the new village, including plans for a school, farms and a flea market. They asked the government to provide roads, sewage, water and power.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 01:55 AM   #307
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err .. price tag HK$66.9 billion = USD 8 billion
The investment will be made back from tangible and intangible economic returns.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 04:51 AM   #308
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The investment will be made back from tangible and intangible economic returns.
Yes, but the problem is it's all indirect. The government will not be getting most of that back as these tangible and intangible economic returns is for the general economy. Taxes only account for a small trickle of this stimulated effect. Given a lot of other things need government money, this huge blob going to the HSR stirred a lot of public concern.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 05:09 AM   #309
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Old March 19th, 2010, 08:22 AM   #310
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The Guangzhou to Shenzhen section will be completed by the end of 2012. Hong Kong section will be complete at 2014 at the earliest

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廣深港高鐵跨境段17億興建



圖:廣深港高鐵「廣深段」今年底可建成通車,而深港「跨境段」目前也完成施工招標,圖為廣深段施工現場(本報攝)

備受關注的廣深港高鐵建設又有新突破。消息人士透露,繼最近「廣深段」進入全線鋪軌後,深港「跨境段」設計方案也順利完成出爐,由中國鐵建中鐵十五局集團以近十七億港元合同價中標承建,近期與香港鐵路公司簽定施工合同,將與「香港段」於二○一四年全線貫通運營。\【本報記者方俊明廣州十五日電】

據最新設計方案,廣深港高鐵全長約一百四十六公里,其中「廣深段」約一百一十六公里,起自廣州番禺區石壁的廣州南站(新廣州火車站),向東經番禺、東莞至深圳市,在深圳市龍華鎮設深圳北站(新深圳火車站),以隧道穿深圳市福田區(福田站)至皇崗口岸,跨深圳河接「香港段」;自深圳河深港分界經米埔自然保護區、石崗、九龍市區至終點西九龍站,「香港段」全線二十六公里均為隧道和地下車站。

北上首站2012建成

其中,廣州南站至深圳北站的「廣深段」作為首期工程,至今已累計完成投資八成以上,目前已開始全線鋪軌,今年底前可率先建成通車。而深圳北站至福田站之間的二期工程也正進入全面推進階段,其中福田站作為目前內地最大的地下鐵路客運車站,也是高鐵「香港段」北上內地的首站樞紐,其主體工程已累計完成投資突破二十七億元,今年內計劃完成投資十二億元,有望於二○一二年下半年建成,將通過目前已開始施工的皇崗隧道連通深港「跨境段」及「香港段」。

隧道設計採雙洞單線

消息人士對本報記者透露,高鐵深港「跨境段」主要工程為盾構隧道一千四百九十米及六個聯絡通道,盾構從深圳市皇崗豎井始發,在香港米埔豎井吊出。相對於從深圳龍華鎮新深圳站至皇崗口岸的隧道工程採取「單洞雙線」設計,從皇崗口岸跨深圳河至香港米埔的「跨境段」,將與「香港段」採用同樣的「雙洞單線隧道」設計方案。

消息人士還透露,「跨境段」工程已完成施工單位招投標工作,由中國鐵建中鐵十五局集團以十六億九千九百三十萬港元合同價中標,近期與香港鐵路公司簽定施工合同。目前正進行隧道施工盾構機採購招投標工作,預計下半年完成招標驗收,明年春季之前正式啟動「跨境段」施工,將於二○一四年與香港段全線貫通通車。
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Old March 27th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #311
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Old March 27th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #312
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Well, just because we have plenty of money to invest in our infrastructure doesn't mean it should be wasted!

second that!

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Yes, but the problem is it's all indirect. The government will not be getting most of that back as these tangible and intangible economic returns is for the general economy. Taxes only account for a small trickle of this stimulated effect. Given a lot of other things need government money, this huge blob going to the HSR stirred a lot of public concern.
If the government put that money into other projects, then other sets of people will complain that the money is being wasted on where it could be spent on other things yet again, some of those other things might be this project here.

You bitch about this, but I recon if you got a bunch of the people bitching together they would not be able to agree upon what the money should be spend on.
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Yes, but the problem is it's all indirect. The government will not be getting most of that back as these tangible and intangible economic returns is for the general economy. Taxes only account for a small trickle of this stimulated effect. Given a lot of other things need government money, this huge blob going to the HSR stirred a lot of public concern.
Companies will be able to generate higher profits and pay higher wages, and they will pay higher corporate and income taxes to the government. Effects of infrastructure investments are long-term and far reaching, and the rail-link WILL pay for itself, have some faith!
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If the government put that money into other projects, then other sets of people will complain that the money is being wasted on where it could be spent on other things yet again, some of those other things might be this project here.

You bitch about this, but I recon if you got a bunch of the people bitching together they would not be able to agree upon what the money should be spend on.
Well, this is one big sum going into this project. If it were spread around, it would likely appease more people / special interest groups than just 1.
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Transportation is one of the backbones in healthy economic development like energy, raw material, labor force... So, it is one of the best places you can spend public founds. One just cannot analyze its benefit by just comparing its cost to direct return from the operation.

Moreover, I think HSR network has a big chance to even out its investment in mid to long term.
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Well, this is one big sum going into this project. If it were spread around, it would likely appease more people / special interest groups than just 1.
It's one big investment which well generate an immeasurable endless stream of returns to ALL sectors of the economy.
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It's one big investment which well generate an immeasurable endless stream of returns to ALL sectors of the economy.
HKD 67 billion later how will it fare? Is it going to be very profitable? We don't know. How long is the payback period ... quite long.

Yes, we all know it will bring good economic prospects, but that 'end' is not an excuse to justify this degree of public expenditure. It's bound to attract criticism.
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To hkskyline,

MTR (HK subway) is also large construction cost (eg, HK$ 15 billian in <5 Km of west island line recently) and not very profitable. Why it should be built?

If MTR not builld 30 years ago, can you image the loss from traffic congestion (money and time)?

Just for brainstorm~~
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