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Old May 21st, 2010, 06:06 PM   #341
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How many years does it take for the Hk Airport to breakeven? the US interstate system? The Japanese HSR? The English Channel Tunnel?

It's infrastructure for crying out loud.
Until this project came along, the government had a clear notion of payback period since it is not policy to subsidize such developments. They need to get the money back, either through tolls, or some development levies along the way. We don't know how that can be achieved given the huge outlay for this project. In fact, the airport is profitable (http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/p...terim/2009.pdf), and there were a number of real estate projects to fund the big cost.
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 02:28 PM   #342
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How many years does it take for the Hk Airport to breakeven? the US interstate system? The Japanese HSR? The English Channel Tunnel?

It's infrastructure for crying out loud.

For the existing HSR network~~
Japanese Shinkansen between Tokyo and Osaka, the most crowded HSR in the world opened in 1964, It breakeven after 8 years opening.
And now, it takes 12% opening distance of JR Central company and more than 80% of income.
HSR between Tokyo and Osaka is becoming overcowded and JR central is thinking how to enhance its capacity.

Euro Channel, it seems that not get profit so far~~
I hope Euro Channel serve more Euro countries and get more passengers and Cargo traffic~~
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Old June 9th, 2010, 05:55 PM   #343
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HK's high-speed rail link in danger of going over budget
18 May 2010
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Hong Kong's controversial high-speed rail project risks exceeding its HK$66.9 billion budget and five-year construction timetable, industry experts warn.

The likelihood of costs for the high-speed link to Guangzhou escalating was high because of a perverse incentive system between the Hong Kong government and MTR Corporation, said Albert Lai Kwong-tak, chairman of a group that proposed a cheaper alternative. The Hong Kong government and MTR reject the group's criticisms.

MTR Corp would build and operate the 26 kilometre express rail link, but the government would bear the costs and own the line, said Lai, chairman of The Professional Commons.

MTR Corp owned the other rail lines it operates in Hong Kong, Lai said. "In this arrangement, the MTR bears no financial responsibility for funding control, so it doesn't have any incentive to reduce costs."

The MTR would be paid a fee by the government to manage the express rail project, he said. "Any cost overruns will be borne by the government. The incentive system is wrong."

The situation parallels that in California, where last month a state auditor report warned that the state government did not have a proper system in place to track the expenses of the planned California High-Speed Railway. The project, which will receive federal funding under a plan to build high-speed lines nationwide, risks delay because of inadequate planning, weak oversight and lax contract management, the state auditor said.

The Professional Commons proposed an alternative plan for the express line which it said would cost HK$25 billion. The government rejected its proposal. In January, the Legislative Council approved funding of HK$66.9 billion for the high-speed railway, despite demonstrations against the project.

"There is rapidly increasing demand for human resources and raw materials, which is going to lead to significant risks of overruns in time and costs," one engineer said.

A large number of contracts related to the line had already been awarded, which was making the railway's HK$66.9 billion budget already fairly tight, the engineer said.

"With history as a guide, there probably will be overruns of the express rail line not only in time but money," said the engineer, referring to Chek Lap Kok airport, which was meant to be completed before the handover on 1 July 1997 but was a year late.

A person familiar with the high-speed rail project said senior people involved in it privately believed there was a good chance the five-year construction schedule would not be met, due to the complexity of building it entirely underground.

A government spokesman said it would monitor the MTR Corp and its contractors to ensure the project was within budget and on schedule. "Mechanisms to control costs and encourage saving are in place."

An MTR Corp spokesman said it had a strong belief in delivering rail projects on time and within budget. "Regular reporting on the progress and finance to the Legislative Council is also well established. We have practices in contract packaging to keep to a reasonable cost," he said.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 07:24 AM   #344
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Old June 15th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #345
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I don't suppose this one is going to be finished when I fly to Guangzhou for a trip to Hong Kong on July 12th

Thanks for the updates! Very informative.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 08:58 AM   #346
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MTR Awards £100m Hong Kong Rail Express Link Contract

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MTR Corporation, the operator of the mass transit rail system in Hong Kong, has awarded a £100 million contract to a Laing O’Rourke/Bachy Soletanche joint venture, for the underground construction of a section of the approach tunnels for the station complex in West Kowloon.

The award, Contract 811a, is part of MTR’s massive Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link (Hong Kong Section) Project, and is for the West Kowloon Terminus Approach Tunnels (North). The work will comprise the construction of tunnels using cut & cover techniques on the station’s approach.

The 26-km long Hong Kong Section of Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link (The Express Rail Link) starts from West Kowloon, Hong Kong to the boundary of Hong Kong and Shenzhen, and will connect with the 16,000 km Chinese National High-speed Railway Network. Construction works for the Express Rail Link commenced in January 2010 with target completion by 2015.

Mike Robins, Laing O'Rourke's Managing Director, Hong Kong said: "The Express Rail Link project is part of a major investment programme in rail infrastructure in Hong Kong, and we are delighted to be appointed with our partner to one of the initial sections of this complex and challenging rail infrastructure development."
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Old June 17th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #347
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Terminus hits trouble with malls claim
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Thursday, May 20, 2010

A man seeking to stop the building of the terminus of the high-speed cross-border rail link in West Kowloon told the Court of First Instance yesterday that the project will only benefit business.
In an attempt to get permission to apply for judicial review, Chan Kai-wah, who lives near Kowloon MTR station, said the plan to build the terminus is intended to help two shopping malls - one at Kowloon station and the other at the soon-to-be-built West Kowloon terminus.

The project is not truly in the public interest, he argued. Instead, the government should pay attention to people's needs and not use public money and land to benefit shopping enterprises.

Chan also claimed a terminus in West Kowloon could lead to traffic jams in the area and there may be a need for further reclamation should such a problem arise.

Chan said he is not against construction of the Hong Kong section of the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link - just the location of the terminus.

The West Kowloon terminus, north of the West Kowloon Cultural District and between Austin and Kowloon MTR stations, will have nine long-haul platforms and six shuttle platforms.

On that, Chan said there is no terminus anywhere with so many platforms.

Justice Anselmo Reyes said the court deals with legal problems and not policy. But he will hand down a decision before the end of the week.
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Old June 17th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #348
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ship him to Texas please. They don't build anything over there.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 08:24 PM   #350
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Thursday, May 20, 2010

A man seeking to stop the building of the terminus of the high-speed cross-border rail link in West Kowloon told the Court of First Instance yesterday that the project will only benefit business.
In an attempt to get permission to apply for judicial review, Chan Kai-wah, who lives near Kowloon MTR station, said the plan to build the terminus is intended to help two shopping malls - one at Kowloon station and the other at the soon-to-be-built West Kowloon terminus.

The project is not truly in the public interest, he argued. Instead, the government should pay attention to people's needs and not use public money and land to benefit shopping enterprises.

Chan also claimed a terminus in West Kowloon could lead to traffic jams in the area and there may be a need for further reclamation should such a problem arise.

Chan said he is not against construction of the Hong Kong section of the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link - just the location of the terminus.

The West Kowloon terminus, north of the West Kowloon Cultural District and between Austin and Kowloon MTR stations, will have nine long-haul platforms and six shuttle platforms.

On that, Chan said there is no terminus anywhere with so many platforms.

Justice Anselmo Reyes said the court deals with legal problems and not policy. But he will hand down a decision before the end of the week.

Finally, the court refused judicial review because the location of HSR station because that is not the scope of Court.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 05:00 PM   #351
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LCQ12: Resite of Choi Yuen Tsuen
Wednesday, May 26, 2010
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Following is a question by the Hon Abraham Shek Lai-him and a written reply by the Acting Secretary for Transport and Housing, Mr Yau Shing-mu, at the Legislative Council meeting today (May 26):

Question:

Some villagers of Choi Yuen Tsuen (CYT) in Shek Kong have relayed to me that because of the works of the Hong Kong Section of Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link, they have to move out of the village but they hope to resite the whole village. They have pointed out that apart from identifying sites for resiting, another major problem connected with the resiting of CYT is the huge expenses involved, such as the expenses on construction materials, engineering, surveying and construction, etc., as well as professional technical support. In this connection, will the Government inform this Council:

(a) apart from the special ex-gratia rehousing package approved by the Finance Committee of this Council and the allowance granted by the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department under the agricultural resite policy, whether other resources are available to assist CYT villagers in resiting the village; if so, of the details; if not, the reasons for that;

(b) regarding the support offered to CYT villagers for resiting the whole village, whether the authorities will provide them with professional technical support, including support in such areas such as engineering, surveying and construction, etc.; if so, of the details; if not, the reasons for that; and

(c) of the commitments of the authorities in providing the infrastructural facilities involved in resiting CYT, such as water and electricity supply, public lighting systems, public roads and other public facilities?

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Most of the CYT households affected by land resumption for the Hong Kong section of Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link (XRL) live in squatters or structures converted from squatters erected on private agricultural land. They are temporary in nature under the existing policy. The Administration has offered a special ex-gratia rehousing package (the Package) to CYT villagers and other parties affected by the land resumption and clearance related to the Hong Kong section of the XRL. The Package together with the compensation and rehousing arrangements available under the existing policy will provide suitable and flexible assistance to villagers affected. Depending on whether the relevant eligibility criteria are met, villagers who live by farming may choose to continue farming and erect structure for domestic purpose on agricultural land. Other villagers may choose to purchase Home Ownership Scheme (HOS) flats without being subject to Comprehensive Means Test, or to rent or purchase low-density private accommodations in the rural area using the ex-gratia cash allowance offered. Eligible villagers will be offered Public Rental Housing (PRH) units with priority.

The agricultural resite policy does not provide any arrangement for resiting a village. Rather it assists genuine farmers affected by land clearance so that they may continue to earn their living by farming elsewhere. A genuine farmer verified by the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) may apply for a short term waiver so that he or she can erect on private agricultural land a temporary domestic structure with a maximum area of 400 square feet and a maximum height of 17 feet. The purpose is to facilitate farmers to take care of their farmland. Applicants should provide sufficient information to enable AFCD to verify their farmer status. Applicants who have non-agricultural occupation or participate in holiday/leisure farming are not considered as genuine farmers.

My reply to the three parts of the question is as follows:

(a) We believe that the Package and the compensation and rehousing arrangements available under the existing policy have provided villagers affected with sufficient assistance to meet their rehousing needs:

(i) the population of the CYT is about 450. Villagers have submitted about 190 applications for the Special Assistance under the Package. All the applications have been processed. The ex-gratia cash allowance granted in all the approved cases adds up to about $72 million. More than half of the applicants were offered an ex-gratia cash allowance of $500,000 or above. About 40 applications for purchasing HOS units were approved;

(ii) ex-gratia compensation for resuming private land owned by villagers residing in CYT amounts to about $160 million;

(iii) the Administration will assess and release ex-gratia cash allowance in respect of agricultural vegetation (including fruit trees and crops, etc) or permanent improvements to farms (such as water tanks or catch pits, etc) in accordance with prevailing ex-gratia compensation policy; and

(iv) we will assist villagers ineligible for the Special Assistance with housing need by rehousing them to PRH or Interim Housing if they meet the relevant criteria.

(b) We are aware that some villagers wish to continue to reside in clusters and to earn their living by farming after leaving CYT. While the existing agricultural resite policy allows villagers to live in clusters, individual applicants must meet the relevant eligibility criteria, including the genuine farmer status, committing to farming in the future and submitting feasible farming plans. If several applicants individually satisfy the eligibility criteria of agricultural resite policy, they are allowed to farm and live in vicinity. However, this is not a village resite arrangement. We are pleased to learn that Heung Yee Kuk is assisting villagers to find alternative farmland and providing professional advice to them.

(c) Villagers in the rural area may make their requests in respect of infrastructural facilities in accordance with the existing policies or mechanisms. The relevant departments or institutions will process their applications in line with established procedures. The Administration has been urging villagers for early submission of agricultural resite applications, so that the Administration would understand their needs for infrastructural facilities. We will process their applications speedily to tie in with the timetable that CYT villagers should vacate the site in mid-October.
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Old June 27th, 2010, 10:33 AM   #352
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STH visits secondary school in Tin Shui Wai
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
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The Secretary for Transport and Housing, Ms Eva Cheng, today (June 23) visited the Shun Tak Fraternal Association Yung Yau College in Tin Shui Wai to exchange views with students on the development of Hong Kong's transportation infrastructure.

Accompanied by the school principal, Mr Choy Chat-kwan, and school manager, Mr Ng Jing-yee, Ms Cheng toured the school's digital media facilities to learn more about how the facilities had helped nurture students' interest in creating 3D computer animation and short films.

Ms Cheng was also briefed on the students' computer animation work by the chairman of the 3D computer animation association. Some of their work had won international awards.

The Transport and Housing Bureau recently commissioned Yung Yau College to produce an animation feature on the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link (XRL) in the hope of encouraging students to express their views and aspirations towards the Express Rail Link.

Students taking part in the project took the opportunity of Ms Cheng's visit to brief her on how the production of the animation feature was progressing.

Ms Cheng said: "We are pleased to learn that the collaboration has helped deepen students' understanding of the development of the XRL as well as its significance to Hong Kong and the Mainland. I also hope that your work will help convey the importance of the XRL to young people effectively and arouse their interest in and knowledge of the rail project."

Ms Cheng added: "The XRL is built for our younger generation. The early implementation of the rail will help enhance Hong Kong's competitiveness and long-term development. The express rail link is not only an environmentally friendly and highly effective mode of transportation, but also has an important impact on the economic, cultural and social exchanges between Hong Kong and the Mainland in future. The XRL will help create opportunities for the younger generation."

Ms Cheng said she was glad to learn that the work of the students could effectively feature the characteristics and importance of the XRL. She said she very much appreciated their efforts and creativity in preparing the animation feature. She was also happy to know that they wished to see early implementation of the rail.
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Bouygues Construction gets EUR 360m rail tunnel contract in Hong Kong

(ADPnews) - Jun 21, 2010 - Bouygues Construction, a unit of conglomerate Bouygues (EPA:EN) said today it won a EUR 360-million (USD 445.1m) contract for the construction of rail tunnel in Hong Kong.

The project, which will be managed by Bouygues Construction's unit Dragages Hong Kong, will consist of building a section of the new high speed rail link between Hong Kong and Guangzhou, southern China. The construction will be composed of two parallel tunnels, which will be part of a future high speed rail line that should connect Hong Kong, Shanghai and Pekin in 2015.

The works on the rail tunnel already started and have to last for 60 months with some 1,000 workers at the peak period.

On June 10, Bouygues Construction announced another deal in Hong Kong for the construction of a harbour terminal for cruise ships and supporting facilities for the amount of EUR 490 million.

Boygues' stocks were up 1.23% to EUR 35.81 at 1216 CET today on Euronext Paris.

(EUR 1.0 = USD 1.236)
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Shenzhen, June 16 by Starlight from skyscrapers.cn - much clearer day :

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Ousted villagers' woes continue
6 July 2010
South China Morning Post

Villagers who must make way for the HK$66.9 billion high-speed rail link to Guangzhou have finally found a site to rebuild their village, but their troubles are not over. They may not be able to move out in time.

Tsoi Yuen Chuen villagers have struck a deal to buy land from landowners in Yuen Kong new village and Tai Wo village near Kam Tin. The area is only about a third the size of the villagers' original land but the price is right and it is just 20 minutes drive from Tsoi Yuen.

Tsoi Yuen village leader Ko Chun-heung said villagers would pay HK$18 million for 150,000 square feet of land.

As existing land policy does not support relocation of an entire village, about 87 villagers will have to apply for a farming licence to be able to build houses on the new site.

But Ko said the government had recently tightened its definition of a farmer. "At first, officials said we only had to show purchase receipts of farming products like seeds," he said. "Now they say we have to be full-time farmers."

Many villagers work in the city but they say they help their parents farm before they go to work or at weekends.

A government official said all children of farmer parents should not expect to be granted a licence and be allowed to build a house on the new land. " {hellip}as to how many applications we will be granting, we have to consider other factors - such as their farming scale," the official said.

But even if all applications are approved, the new Tsoi Yuen village may not be ready by October - the deadline when villagers must vacate old Tsoi Yuen. Ko said the government should postpone the deadline or help with the move.
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Brake pledge on rail link cost

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Wednesday, July 07, 2010

Legislators were assured yesterday there will be no calls for more money to build the express rail link to Guangzhou.

They were also told all compensation claims by displaced persons are being dealt with smoothly.

Concern over a likely increase in the HK$67 billion price tag was raised by independent lawmaker Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee, who cited the possible appreciation of the yuan over the next few years.

Mass Transit Railway project director Chew Tai-chong said that by the end of June, total expenditure on the project had reached HK$1.5 billion, which was within the plan's estimates.

The express railway is expected to be completed by 2015.

"All contracts are to be settled in Hong Kong dollars," express link general manager Paul Lo Po-hing said, adding the yuan appreciation would have little effect.

"Total projects will be delivered within the planned budget, time and quality," Lo said.

So far, 11 major construction contracts totalling HK$13.9 billion have been awarded. These are mainly contracts for the tunneling works (HK$11.8 billion) and the construction of the West Kowloon Terminus (HK$2.1 billion).

The company will offer further contracts for the tunneling works and the construction of the West Kowloon Terminus South by the end of 2010, and expects to recruit some 1,870 technicians and 670 professionals.

During the peak construction period in 2013, the total number of employees should exceed 11,000, Lo said.

On land resumption in Choi Yuen Tsuen, Transport and Housing Secretary Eva Cheng Yu-wah told legislators the transport committee had received about 20 applications for agricultural resiting from villagers and that 10 have been verified as farmers.

Cheng also said the government and MTR Corp have maintained frequent contact with residents of buildings in Tai Kok Tsui who have expressed concern they may be damaged by tunneling. The MTRC is now conducting surveys of 19 affected buildings to check their condition, she said.

Legislator Andrew Cheng Kar-foo expressed concern at the slow surveying progress, but was told it was actually faster than previous large railway projects.

Meanwhile, a group of 10 Choi Yuen Tsuen residents demonstrated outside the Legco building yesterday to demand relocation.

A site in Shek Wu Tong near Choi Yuen Tsuen has been found for relocating residents who wish to resume farming, a spokesman said.
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I doubt the final tally will be anywhere near the budgeted cost, especially with a long-dated project and such a large sum to begin with. Even a 5% margin is a couple billion already!
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Villagers forced to move for rail link fear they won't be able to build new homes
9 July 2010
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Lam Fu-cheong has worked growing vegetables, flowers and fruit on his parents' land since he was eight but has never had to wonder until now whether he was a genuine farmer.

But that has suddenly become a pressing question. It will determine whether he and his family get the right to build a house on land they are buying so they can move out of the way of construction work for the new high-speed rail link to Guangzhou.

And unless it is resolved for Lam and others like him, the possibility has been raised of violent clashes four months from now when government bulldozers start demolishing Tsoi Yuen Tsuen, the New Territories village that is being moved to make way for an emergency rescue station and railway depot.

Lam, 30, still works the land in the village as he has done since he was a child, but he also freelances as a construction worker, which raises doubts as to whether the government will regard him as a genuine farmer.

"If I didn't freelance, how would I have enough money to raise my family?" he asked.

After months of searching and negotiation, the villagers recently struck a deal to buy land near Kam Tin to rebuild the village, paying HK$18 million for 150,000 square feet of land that they plan to farm collectively.

Eight-six families with slightly more than 200 members in all have committed to the rebuilding, with each family contributing at least HK$800,000 to buy the land, prepare it for farming and build a house.

But there is a catch. Although farming by itself does not require government approval, if they want to build houses on the land, they need farming licences, which give holders the right to erect a 400 sq ft house.

The villagers were told last month that only those who could prove they were genuine farmers would get a licence. The government also told them the licences could be confiscated if the holders could not prove they were full-time farmers.

No explanation was given of what constitutes a genuine or full-time farmer, leaving Lam unsure whether his part-time construction work will disqualify him.

"I would like to be a full-time farmer, if farming alone could earn enough to raise my family. It worked for my parents - they raised five kids by farming. But I'm not sure if it will still work now," he said.

The villagers need answers urgently, because the bulldozers are due to move in by the end of October, and they will not move out unless they can build enough new homes for everyone who needs one.

Activists who hotly opposed construction of the HK$66.9 billion line are now mustering support to help protect the villagers in any confrontation with the government. The villagers plan to farm organically in a collective where young people will share the heavy duties while the elderly take up the physically less demanding jobs, such as packaging.

It will allow extended families to stay close to each other and decades-old friendships to continue.

Secretary of Transport and Housing Eva Cheng has said the government will be flexible when handling licence applications.

At a Legislative Council meeting on July 5, she vowed that officials would speed up the handling of licence applications to meet the October deadline. But she also said the arrangements must be reasonable.

"If a nine-person family asks for six houses, we have to make sure it is reasonable," she said.

Her bureau said it had provided significant assistance to villagers interested in applying for agricultural relocation. It said it had helped villagers check farming records and inspect their farming practices to support their cases. Civil servants were ready to visit markets where villagers sold their crops to gather evidence that they were bona fide farmers.

But government officers have already hinted to Lam that his extended family of nine will not get all the licences it says it needs.

The family wants to build three houses - one for Lam's parents, one for his three-person family and one for his younger brother and three sisters.

"I have a family; of course I need a separate house," he said. "Are all nine of us supposed to stay in one 400 sq ft house?"

Lam's neighbour, 72-year-old Ip Shui-lai, said: "I have already told the officials I can't be a full-time farmer. I will need young people in the village to do the farming for me. I do not understand why they expect a 72-year-old to be a full-time farmer."

Ip moved to Hong Kong from rural Guangdong in 1953 at the age of 15 to avoid persecution because his father was a landlord. His father, who died early this year, had come to Hong Kong two years earlier.

Father and son pooled their savings of HK$30,000 to buy 7,800 sq ft of land in the village in 1963 because they were convinced there was no way they could return to their hometown. Ip's father, a teacher, named their home Ip Garden and built a 700 sq ft house there. They planted fruit trees, grew vegetables and raised chickens and pigeons, eating what they needed and selling the rest.

Now Ip has to move again.

"I'm 72 years old. Having neighbours willing to help when I need them is crucial," he says. "I'm not going to move to public housing or a [Home Ownership Scheme] flat. If they spoil our plan to rebuild the village, I will have no option but to chain myself to this house and let them remove me."

Others are also ready to fight.

"The agreement is that we build the new village before they demolish our old one," Ko Chun-heung said.

"We want to observe the October deadline, so we have worked very hard. But even if we can start building next month, we can't have the houses completed in 2-1/2 months."

Activist Chu Hoi-dick says preparations are under way to prepare for the final, and possibly violent, showdown with the government.

"Without knowing how many can build a house, villagers can't commit to buy any land. There is no way they can start the rebuilding work to meet the October deadline," he said.

A recruitment notice posted on Facebook asks for "warriors" to help Tsoi Yuen Tsuen's villagers under three sets of circumstances.

The first is mass mobilisation to pressure the government to issue the licences for them to resume farming.

In the second - described as the most dire - scenario, "if the government refuses, the warriors will stay at the village to protect the elderly and the kids when the bulldozers come," the notice says.

"Finally if they get the licence and rebuild the village, they will need the warriors' hands to build houses and open up new farmland," it says.

If all else fails, Lam has one last idea.

"I am checking the prices of shipping containers. My parents have vowed they will not give up farming even if they can't get a licence. We will rent a piece of land to farm and live in containers," he said. "The government can't stop us from farming and living in containers."
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