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Old October 23rd, 2010, 09:37 AM   #401
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^ Thats kinda slow by Chinese standards. btw in one of the pics thats a lot of cranes! lol
Well, the Hong Kong section is subject to lengthy environmental assessments and public opinion surveys.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 04:39 PM   #402
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^ Thats kinda slow by Chinese standards. btw in one of the pics thats a lot of cranes! lol
26km of tunnel with significant portion in extreme high density urban area, and important environmental protection zone. and don't forget hk can't mobilize endless number of construction workers like it does in the mainland. 5 year of construction time for this scale of project is pretty quick.
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Old October 25th, 2010, 07:47 PM   #403
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Yes - the tunneling under Tai Kok Tsui will cause a lot of headaches especially with so many skyscrapers above.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 11:10 AM   #404
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^ Thats kinda slow by Chinese standards.
HK has its own laws.

The biggest difference being land in HK is privately owned and obtaining them is a lengthy and costly process, unlike mainland.

Which is an indication that Chinese railway builders would take equally long as other builders when constructing railway in foreign territory.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #405
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HK has its own laws.

The biggest difference being land in HK is privately owned and obtaining them is a lengthy and costly process, unlike mainland.

Which is an indication that Chinese railway builders would take equally long as other builders when constructing railway in foreign territory.
Not all lands in Hong Kong are privately owned.

This thread is about Hong Kong - Guangzhou highspeed railway. So please stay on topic.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 03:39 PM   #406
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Not all lands in Hong Kong are privately owned.

This thread is about Hong Kong - Guangzhou highspeed railway. So please stay on topic.
I am staying on topic.

Land acquistion is the starting point of any railway construction project, and private ownership of HK lands as opposed to government ownership of lands in mainland is the reason for slow progress of this particular railway.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 05:25 PM   #407
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I am staying on topic.

Land acquistion is the starting point of any railway construction project, and private ownership of HK lands as opposed to government ownership of lands in mainland is the reason for slow progress of this particular railway.
Don't think private ownership of land is a key concern, since most of the line will be underground beneath buildings in the city, so expropriation is not a concern. The key problem is the cost.
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Old October 28th, 2010, 02:07 AM   #408
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When HK holds land auctions, what do they actually sell? Is it a limited-term lease or freehold on the land?

Is there any privately owned freehold land in Hong Kong?
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Old November 8th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #409
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Tsoi Yuen villagers ordered to leave within two weeks
Transport bureau says it cannot wait endlessly to build depot

5 November 2010
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Harsh reality has arrived for Yuen Long villagers whose homes must make way for the HK$66.9 billion high-speed railway to Guangzhou.

Lands officers who arrived in the farming community of Tsoi Yuen yesterday to start taking back vacant properties told the remaining residents they must be out in two weeks.

"They told us they would come back on November 18 to take our houses. It is a standing line delivered to every villager," said Ko Chun-heung, who has led a campaign to save her home from destruction since late 2008.

Hundreds of police, highways and lands officers moved into the village early yesterday in the first phase of the land resumption.

The villagers had been hoping they would be able to stay until new homes are built on nearby land they are seeking to buy, but that could take six months even if they can resolve a dispute that is holding up the deal. The Transport and Housing Bureau said the government could not wait endlessly for the villagers to move out.

It also said the railway project involved river realignment, so work must be carried out in the dry season.

Residents staged a noisy protest as Ho Wai-fu, a government engineer in charge of railway development, held a briefing in the village.

They have teamed up with a 100-strong "defence force" of activists to plan their next move.

All 200 households in Tsoi Yuen Tsuen had been told to leave by Monday to make way for a depot for the railway, which the government says will allow Hong Kong to integrate better with the mainland.

Most have done so, but 50 families who want to rebuild their village at Pat Heung say they cannot move until their new homes are ready.

The government promised to help the villagers build new homes after it won Legco funding approval to build the railway in January.

But Lau Wong-fat, chairman of rural affairs body the Heung Yee Kuk, told a Legco subcommittee meeting on September 20 that existing Pat Heung residents did not want the new neighbours and that the kuk and officials were mediating.

Tsoi Yuen villagers have agreed to forfeit their right to elect the community's representative on the Heung Yee Kuk advisory body. But no deal has been sealed, because the indigenous villagers refuse to let their new neighbours use private roads.

Volunteers who have been working with the villagers against the demolition plan for more than a year and have formed a defence squad say they will patrol the village to ensure villagers are not disturbed by the demolition work.

The Hong Kong leg of the high-speed railway is expected to be completed by 2015.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 08:53 AM   #410
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Some photos (though a bit small in size) of West Kowloon Terminus at World Buildings Directory Online Database

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Old November 10th, 2010, 01:37 AM   #411
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When HK holds land auctions, what do they actually sell? Is it a limited-term lease or freehold on the land?

Is there any privately owned freehold land in Hong Kong?
All land in HK are leasehold. Auctions are for the developer the right to use it for a limited term lease.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 03:26 AM   #412
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When HK holds land auctions, what do they actually sell? Is it a limited-term lease or freehold on the land?

Is there any privately owned freehold land in Hong Kong?
A 50-year usage right on that piece of land, except a few very old land contract that last 99 years and one 999 years contract for a church.

Yes, Hong Kong does have private land ownership, but this is limited to villages that established in the new territories before the governance of the british in 1898.land
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Old November 10th, 2010, 10:27 AM   #413
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Villagers set to fight removal
1 November 2010
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Villagers of Tsoi Yuen Chuen are bracing for a fight in the event that government officials remove them by force this month. A 100-strong defence squad paraded yesterday and pledged to protect those who will be required to leave upon the arrival of bulldozers in mid- or late November.

All 200 households in Tsoi Yuen Chuen were to leave by today to make way for the HK$66.9 billion high-speed railway to Guangzhou.

Half of them have done so but some of the rest, who want to rebuild their village elsewhere, refused to go as their land purchase deal is not yet completed.

"Every condition demanded by the landowners was already answered, I don't know what else they want," said Bobo Yip Po-lam, an activist who has been helping villagers in the negotiations. A major sticking point is that the villagers are being told to move out about six months before their new homes can be completed, but the government says it cannot wait that long.

It is understood the government will build a road connecting Tsoi Yuen village's new neighbourhood at nearby Pat Heung with the Tai Lam Tunnel.

Tsoi Yuen villagers agreed to forfeit their election rights for the community's representative on the Heung Yee Kuk advisory body in exchange for the landowners' signature on their deal.

But no deal has been sealed so far and the clock is ticking.

Land officials said the first phase of the evacuation would take place on Thursday, though it will only covers government sites and abandoned farmland.

The second phase, however, beginning in mid- or late November, will affect some of the 90 households that have resolved to stay, though the exact number is not yet known.

It appears the villagers will have to move before their new homes are ready.

Yip said it wold take about six months to build their new homes, but the government said earlier that it was impossible to wait so long.

The high-speed railway is expected to be completed by 2015.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 01:53 PM   #414
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Angry rail-link villagers surround engineer
5 November 2010
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Dozens of angry villagers surrounded a government engineer as clearance workers began taking over land in Yuen Long set aside for construction of part of a new railway.

More than 150 households in Choi Yuen Tsuen, Shek Kong, have to leave to make way for the HK$66.9 billion Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link.

The first phase of the clearance operation, in which officers only took over farmland, deserted land as well as empty premises left by villagers and shop owners who have moved out, went smoothly, authorities said.

But at one stage yesterday engineer Ho Wai-fu of the Highways Department was surrounded by dozens of villagers and their supporters.

Ho had to be escorted away, with police forming a human chain around his vehicle.

Choi Yuen Tsuen Concern Group chairwoman Ko Chun-heung said about 70 households still live in the village and around 50 of them plan to move to Yuen Kong San Tsuen and Tai Wo in Pat Heung.

Cheung Sun-yau, who owns a recycling plant, vowed to resist eviction and seek more compensation. A government spokesman said it will give those in need a further two weeks to move out.

As the project in Choi Yuen Tsuen would involve diverting a river, he said, the work has to be finished in the dry season.

Around 9am yesterday, more than 100 officers from the Lands Department, police, MTR Corp, Water Supplies Department and CLP Power gathered in Choi Yuen Tsuen.

They cut power and water supplies in the areas already taken over.

The concern group has 100 members monitoring how the land is taken over.
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Don't evict villagers yet, academics urge officials
18 November 2010
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Dozens of academics, accusing the government of bullying, are urging it to postpone the eviction of villagers from Tsoi Yuen Tsuen, scheduled for tomorrow.

In a signed petition published in a newspaper advertisement today, more than 60 academics from eight universities and colleges call on the government to sort out the rehousing of the villagers before forcing them from their homes.

"We demand the government honour its promise. It must cancel the operation and construct a new village before asking the people to move out," the petition reads.

The signatories say they regret the fact that the government recently sent officers to clear farms and break the windows of vacated houses.

"The acts are intimidating. It is no different from those bullies that force residents out of old buildings for redevelopment," the petition says.

The government is to demolish Tsoi Yuen Tsuen in Shek Kong to make way for a HK$66.9 billion high-speed railway to Guangzhou.

About 50 households decided to continue their village lifestyle under a farming reinstatement scheme and found a site in Pat Heung with the help of the rural affairs body Heung Yee Kuk. The 145,000 sq ft site will cost about HK$18 million.

But so far these households have failed to reach a deal with the indigenous villagers who own the new site. Negotiations over the use of a 30- metre private road to the site have been deadlocked for months.

"The landlords first asked for HK$200,000 for the use of the road and have now raised it to HK$500,000. This is asking too much," said Chen Yun-chung, a signatory and assistant professor in social science at the University of Science and Technology.

Thirty other households, who will stop farming, are disputing the compensation for their crops, activist Chu Hoi-dick said. He said a papaya tree, for example, could be assessed at between HK$7 and HK$70.

"Officials say the compensation was based on existing guidelines, but there is no transparency as to how they came up with the sum," he said.

A Transport and Housing Bureau spokeswoman said the kuk had done what it could to help the villagers relocate, and it was now up to them to seal the deal.

She said the 30 farmers were offered reasonable amounts in the hundreds of thousands of dollars in crop allowances, with the highest offer exceeding HK$1 million.
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Land resumption at Choi Yuen Tsuen to be conducted in a humane way
Thursday, November 18, 2010
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The Government will carry out land resumption at Choi Yuen Tsuen (CYT) again tomorrow (November 19), with an aim to take possession of structures vacated by villagers who have already moved out of CYT, and to understand the progress of the moving plans of other villagers.

The Government has stated repeatedly that it will handle the phased land resumption in a humane manner. The Administration will firstly take over structures from the villagers and business undertakings who have moved out as well as agricultural and vacant land, with a view to commencing the preparatory works, such as site formation, as soon as possible.

The spokesman said that by taking over land in phases, the progress of the works of the Hong Kong Section of the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-HK Express Rail Link (XRL) project would not be affected; and at the same time villagers with special needs would have more time to implement their moving plans. If villagers are willing to cooperate, a win-win outcome can be achieved.

The spokesman stressed, "All the structures and agricultural land recovered since the launching of the first phase of the clearance operation in mid-October were handed over by the villagers voluntarily. Consent of villagers for demolishing these structures were also obtained. The Government has communicated with the villagers time and again and the purpose of the operations were well known to the villagers. It did not involve any acts of 'intimidating and forcing the villagers to leave'".

On the news report that an illiterate villager had signed an undertaking under the pressure of a Lands Department officer, the spokesman stressed, "the accusation is totally unfounded. It is definitely not true. Apart from going through the procedure of obtaining a written consent from the villager concerned beforehand, Government officer had called up the villager again in the afternoon of the operation day. She re-confirmed that she had no objection to carrying out site formation on her farmland and to clearing the remaining crops that would not be put up for sale in the market. In fact, the villager has already collected the ex-gratia crops allowance and did not ask for re-assessment."

The Government will continue to aim at a win-win situation during tomorrow's land resumption and clearance operation and will take possession of the structures from villagers who had agreed to surrender their land. If individual villagers have genuine special needs, the Government will try to match their moving plans as far as possible and handle such cases in a humane manner provided that the progress of the XRL project will not be adversely affected. Nevertheless, the villagers should genuinely implement their moving plans as the XRL project cannot be delayed indefinitely.

Separately, some CYT villagers intend to move to the vicinity of Yuen Kong San Tsuen and Tai Wo Village. The spokesman was glad to learn that with the help of Heung Yee Kuk, negotiation over the land transaction had reached its final stage.

"We shall look into arrangements that will facilitate the house building plans of the villagers in the coming months and at the same time will not affect the progress of the rail project," the spokesman said.
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the number of cranes for the railway station (on the right) is just massive, they're certainly not messing around ...
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Rail terminus preference a boost for Dutch team
17 December 2010
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Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas has received further support for his West Kowloon Cultural District design - this time from the company designing the terminus for the Hong Kong-Guangzhou high-speed railway, which will be a gateway to the future arts hub.

Without naming anyone, Aedas said it favoured a design that left plenty of space in front of the public square of the terminus, which the Koolhaas proposal does.

"Two schemes are working quite well... One designer very much tried to integrate the [district with the terminus], the other designer took the opposite approach and put lots of facilities in front of the station, I hope that can change a little bit," the company's executive director and international design director, Andrew Bromberg, said.

The architect, who designed the Fusionopolis research and development complex in Singapore and the Empire Tower in Abu Dhabi, did not specify which design would go best with the terminus. But from the three entrants' publicised master layout plans, it is obvious that Koolhaas leaves the most space in front of the terminus, the bulk of which is underground.

Bromberg told the Post the open space was crucial because it would allow visitors to see the skyline of Hong Kong Island on arrival.

"At below-ground stations around the world, you don't know where you are until you get out of the station," he said. "We tried to break that down and open it up so when you arrive, you know you are in Hong Kong."

This was why the five-storey terminus - of which four floors will be below ground - would be made with extensive use of glass, not only to allow in plenty of sunlight but also to give a sense of orientation for the passengers.

The rooftop, 25 metres above ground, will be a green deck dotted with al fresco dining places. A trek path will provide access for those who feel like hiking, or they can take the lift.

In a submission to the cultural district authority, expected to name the winner next month, the Institute of Urban Design recommended Koolhaas' design, followed by that of local architect Rocco Yim Sen-kee, who provides a moderate area of open space in front of the station. But it said the city park design by Norman Foster failed to create a strong sense of arrival for passengers of the high-speed link.
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I am confused. what is this article talking about? I thought design was already chosen since they are already building it? Can anyone elaborate?
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I am confused. what is this article talking about? I thought design was already chosen since they are already building it? Can anyone elaborate?
There is no official design plan for the cultural district next door yet. What the article wanted to convey is with the high-speed rail station plan set across the street, the Dutch cultural district proposal would fit in well.
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