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Old July 24th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #681
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Old August 6th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #682
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High-speed rail linkcost put at HK$80 b
6 August 2014
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MTR is adding HK$13 billion to price tag following announcement of two-year delay, says lawmaker, and he claims estimate is optimistic

The delay in the construction of the cross-border express railway could see its cost rise from HK$67 billion to HK$80 billion, lawmaker Michael Tien Puk-sun quoted sources at MTR as saying.

The claim was made as MTR contractors were said to be facing cash-flow problems as a result of the delay – which has pushed back completion of the high-speed link from West Kowloon to Guangzhou by two years, to 2017.

“A lot of people know about the latest estimate,” said Tien. “But [the government and MTR] are still in talks over who should pay for it, and that’s why they do not want to announce it yet,” added the former chairman of the Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation, whose operations merged with the MTR in 2007.

Tien, who represents the New People’s Party, said he believed the HK$80 billion figure was optimistic. “No one knows what will happen” in the course of the construction, he added.

As to whether the MTR, government or contractors should fund the extra costs, Tien said that should depend on the reasons behind individual claims.

The MTR’s announcement of the delay in April had been unexpected. The company blamed a broken tunnelling machine at Yuen Long and difficult ground conditions at the West Kowloon terminus.

Last month, the MTR announced that its chief executive, Jay Walder, is to step down on August 15, a year earlier than scheduled, after an internal report criticised his “poor judgment” on overseeing the project.

Derrick Pang Yat-bond, deputy chairman of Chun Wo Development Holdings, said his company has a HK$1 billion contract to pave the track beds for the express railway. The works should have started a year ago but were delayed because prerequisite work by other contractors had not been completed.

He said there was anxiety among some contractors who were strapped for cash to cover extra costs incurred by the delay, and some had submitted claims to the MTR for the sums involved.

In answer to an inquiry from the Post, barrister Albert Luk Wai-hung said he believed the government should pay for additional costs incurred due to “unforeseen circumstances”; the MTR should pay for those due to “poor supervision”.

According to the Transport and Housing Bureau, as of March 31 it had received 611 valid claims from contractors, totalling about HK$10.7 billion.

The bureau declined to provide the latest cost estimates but confirmed it had received an assessment from the MTR.

A spokesman added that the MTR was currently conducting a detailed assessment of contractors’ claims.

An MTR spokesman also refused to reveal any latest costing, saying only that its assessment has been submitted to the government.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #683
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Old August 6th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #684
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It wouldn't make sense to keep HK off the CRH map!
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Old August 7th, 2014, 01:12 AM   #685
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I'm not so sure how the Hong Kongers feel about this link now - no doubt some will be wishing that the Chinese government would step in and pay for the overruns given it wasn't exactly a popular proposal.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #686
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Nah ... the expensive project can be funded locally. No need for a bailout. People demand transparency and governance, not a cash box.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #687
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I'm not so sure how the Hong Kongers feel about this link now - no doubt some will be wishing that the Chinese government would step in and pay for the overruns given it wasn't exactly a popular proposal.
Curious, why wouldn't this link be popular among Hong Kong residents? 12 minutes to Futian seems like a dream compared to other options.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #688
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Hong Kong to Shenzhen and Guangzhou in 2017
If Hong Kong want to line Macao and Zhuhai in future!
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Old August 8th, 2014, 08:10 AM   #689
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I wouldn't want the central government in on this unless there was no other option. They don't give out free lunches.
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Curious, why wouldn't this link be popular among Hong Kong residents? 12 minutes to Futian seems like a dream compared to other options.
It's quite widely seen as part of a broader series of measures aiming to maneuver HK towards a more pro-china stance. A large part of the population fear their rights and identity are being eroded.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 10:50 AM   #691
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It's quite widely seen as part of a broader series of measures aiming to maneuver HK towards a more pro-china stance. A large part of the population fear their rights and identity are being eroded.
Yes, yes.... very valuable colony rights and identity. Very important to protect those.
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Yes, yes.... very valuable colony rights and identity. Very important to protect those.
Currently they have much larger rights to determine how the city is run than other large Chinese metropolises. It's just logical that people would want to preserve that.

Unrelated: In 20-30 years HSR in the rest of China will be as expensive and difficult to construct as currently in Hong Kong.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 12:30 PM   #693
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Yes, yes.... very valuable colony rights and identity. Very important to protect those.
Having Cantonese as their main language and freedom of speech are indeed very important to protect.

That you consider these things "colony rights" says more about you than about the Hongkongers.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 05:08 PM   #694
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They should build an APM to Harbor City so that people can arrive for shopping or boarding cruise ships more easily.
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Curious, why wouldn't this link be popular among Hong Kong residents? 12 minutes to Futian seems like a dream compared to other options.
People don't like to commute in Hong Kong. A 1-hour commute is not common as the city is quite centralized. The hassle of crossing the border twice a day is quite burdensome even when the new HSR opens.

Besides, HKers prefer to use the more developed social infrastructure network in the city rather than to live in the mainland.

Some people tend to think people value colonialism, and animosity over the HSR is a reflection of that. People instead value the transparent government that was accountable and solved people's everyday problems. These things are not happening under the present post-handover regime, but ironically did under London. The HSR debate has nothing to do with the anti-China stance, but an example of the need for transparent governance in the MTR's ranks.
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People don't like to commute in Hong Kong. A 1-hour commute is not common as the city is quite centralized. The hassle of crossing the border twice a day is quite burdensome even when the new HSR opens.

Besides, HKers prefer to use the more developed social infrastructure network in the city rather than to live in the mainland.

Some people tend to think people value colonialism, and animosity over the HSR is a reflection of that. People instead value the transparent government that was accountable and solved people's everyday problems. These things are not happening under the present post-handover regime, but ironically did under London. The HSR debate has nothing to do with the anti-China stance, but an example of the need for transparent governance in the MTR's ranks.
Hong Kong is more than just "the people", isn't it? What happened to it being in for "the Hong Kong economy"? Hong Kongers prefer Hong Kong's whatever whatever, but it'd be obsolete without the gateway access status into China it has been enjoying.
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Given HK has had this reputation as the gateway to China for many years without an HSR link, I doubt it would change much. Plus there's the fact that the opening of China has much more of an effect on that status than anything else. It used to be that foreign firms needed to trade through HK as it was near impossible to deal with China directly. Now that's much easier and Hong Kong isn't such a linchpin. On the other hand, HK still has a much better judicial system and IP protection laws than the mainland and so many firms choose to operate out of Hong Kong anyway.
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Hong Kong is more than just "the people", isn't it? What happened to it being in for "the Hong Kong economy"? Hong Kongers prefer Hong Kong's whatever whatever, but it'd be obsolete without the gateway access status into China it has been enjoying.
Not commuting into China on a daily basis is not the same as isolating the economy altogether.
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Runaway express link costs
The Standard
Tuesday, August 12, 2014

The delay in building the long-awaited high-speed rail link will cost an additional HK$6.5 billion, taking the total cost to HK$71.5 billion.

In addition, the government warned it might claim for damages for breach of its agreement with MTR Corp.

The cross-border Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link (Hong Kong section) was originally scheduled to be completed in 2015, but in April MTRC said there would be a two- year delay because of bad weather early this year.

An MTRC spokesman said the latest estimate is HK$71.52 billion, including future insurance and project management costs.

"It was agreed by the government to make the figure public," he added.

In January 2010, the Legislative Council approved HK$66.8 billion for the project, HK$65 billion of which was for MTRC to provide the design, construction, project management, testing, commissioning and more.

The latest estimate was sent to the government on July 24.

The question of who will pay the extra cost will be decided by the entrustment agreement, the spokesman said.

"This figure is based on a detailed review of the revised program for completion of the project in 2017, incorporating a range of scenario planning and taking into account various factors, including the need for additional manpower, contractor resources and potential future events such as unforeseen site conditions."

He revealed the government is still reviewing the latest estimated cost.

The Transport and Housing Bureau said the government has requested MTRC to provide detailed information and justifications.

Upon receipt of all relevant information, the government will critically examine and explore how to follow up in accordance with the entrustment agreement, a spokesman said.

The agreement stipulates that MTRC has to minimize any delay or other effects which any modifications may have on the project.

The bureau spokesman said the delay might amount to a breach of MTRC's obligations.

Michael Tien Puk-sun, chairman of the Legco railways subcommittee, said MTRC's estimate of costs is "optimistic."

The former chairman of the Kowloon-Canton Railway Corp said the estimates were made by MTRC and not the contractors.

He said the weather, insufficient underground investigation or amendments of the design might lead to changes in costs.

Tien said unless it can be proved the rising costs are not MTRC's fault and could be met by the contractors, the eventual losers will be the taxpayers.
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