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Old December 5th, 2014, 04:44 PM   #721
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Is that one-way or round-trip?

Are there passes (weekly, monthly) that have lower rates?

What is the run-time HK-Guangzhou expected to be?
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Old December 5th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #722
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All quoted prices are one way.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 09:56 AM   #723
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Isn't using the HSR for such a short distance very expensive?

What are the fares (in USD or Euro, if its not too much trouble)?
Yes, these fares are not affordable for average incomes as a commuting option.

There are no passes for the D and G trains in China.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #724
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When is this expected to be completed?
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Old January 18th, 2015, 05:04 PM   #725
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Farm experiment born of Hong Kong express railway protest reaps rewards
16 January 2015
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The marches, sit-ins and rallies have ended and banners have long been removed; so what's an activist to do? For a handful of young people, continuing to fight the good fight also means wielding the hoe.

They were among the groups opposed to the Hong Kong section of the high-speed rail link to Guangzhou, which drew flak because of doubts about returns on the estimated HK$69 billion project, its impact on the environment and destruction of the farm community of Choi Yuen Tsuen in Yuen Long. Through the months of heated demonstrations in 2010, some activists opted to live and work with the farmers facing eviction to show their solidarity.

Their experience made them long for a different kind of life, which is how farm collective Sangwoodgoon was born. With help from villagers, the handful of farm neophytes took over a 14,000 sq ft area of previously unused land and turned it into a showcase promoting their vision of sustainable living.

The site in Tse Uk Tsuen, off Kam Sheung Road, has since been given over to a market garden, rows planted with organic vegetables from eggplants and pea shoots to beetroot. Besides running a Sunday market to sell produce and home-made condiments, Sangwoodgoon, meaning "life repository" in Cantonese, also organises talks and movie screenings (a month-long film festival on sustainable agriculture around the world ends this weekend).

Jenny Li Chun-nei, a photographer and co-founder, explains their decision to live off the land.

"Just like people feel a deep sense of loss after the umbrella movement drew to a close, we didn't want our group to just disband and go back to our former life after the Choi Yuen Tseun incident. So we extended it here and continue our campaigns to prompt society to think about issues such as self-sufficiency and sustainable living."

It was something of a leap of faith for the founders, none of whom had real farming experience. "Four years ago, we thought it was impossible to live on a farm and produce our own food. Hong Kong, being a consumerist society, couldn't possibly provide the conditions for us to do that. If we gave up our jobs, could we fend for ourselves? But we still wanted to give it a try," Li says.

From transforming a barren piece of land into a market garden, installing drainage and electrical wiring to constructing latrines, they learned to do it all - with guidance from farm veterans and Choi Yuen Tsuen residents.

"Each of us had a lot of education. But when we got back to basic living, we found we couldn't solve a lot of practical problems," Li says.

After much trial and error, however, Sangwoodgoon is now finally producing enough to give small salaries to the five people working full time on the experimental farm.

"In the past, our yield was paltry and irregular. I could only pay them a travel subsidy every three months then," says Li, who handles the farm's finances. "While we still go out to buy meat to make soup, we plant our own rice so we can attain a high degree of self-sufficiency."

Their fields now yield about 4,000 catties of farm produce, including rice and vegetables, each year. Deducting what they consume themselves and the HK$4,000 annual rent for the site, sales of farm produce can now generate monthly incomes of a few thousand dollars to each member of the collective.

But to succeed they had to gain the trust of nearby villagers for their experiment, says Sangwoodgoon co-founder and part-time cultural studies lecturer Chow Sze-chung, not least because these were the people who would buy most of the produce.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 07:15 PM   #726
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高鐵延誤超支恐逾65億元

3月6日 (五) Excerpt



Synopsis : The high-speed railway will be delayed 2 years and run over budget by HKD 6.5 billion. Further delays may arise. As of year-end, only 66.3% of the project has been completed, behind the budgeted 69.5%.

【本報訊】延誤兩年、超支六十五億元的廣深港高鐵香港段有機會進一步延誤超支!運輸及房屋局和港鐵向立法會提交的最新文件顯示,截至去年十二月底,高鐵香港段整體工程僅完成約百分之六十六點三,仍較已修訂預期進度百分之六十九點五落後,多項隧道工程進度亦未如理想。路政署又指港鐵有若干事項未包含在超支估算中,反映超支額可能進一步增加,港鐵指會在今年第二季重估預算額後盡快交代。

文件顯示,高鐵仍有多項工程滯後,如西九龍總站(北)的車站結構混凝土澆灌工程累計進度僅達三成,較預期低約一成;牛潭尾至大江埔段的隧道亦因人手安排問題,鑽爆隧道內護壁襯砌牆工程進一步滯後;跨境段隧道南行線的隧道鑽挖機,去年七月因機件嚴重損耗停止運作,雖在十一月恢復運作,但到十二月又再因機件損耗停止運作,工程進度僅完成兩成半,遠遜預期的八成二,或成為影響高鐵項目能否如期於一七年整體完工的關鍵。當局指會要求港鐵改善。
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Old March 6th, 2015, 04:18 AM   #727
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So is it currently scheduled to be completed in 2017?
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Old March 6th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #728
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tbc

it's a shame the two year delay.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 02:54 AM   #729
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2017? Not a chance.

My guess is opening not until 2019.

Stupid design + unrealistic planning !

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Old March 7th, 2015, 03:06 PM   #730
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What odds are you offering on 2019?

The WKCD is another matter.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 06:18 AM   #731
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Rail link budget off track again
The Standard Excerpt
Tuesday, March 17, 2015

MTR Corp (0066) will report a revised cost estimate for the Express Rail Link next quarter as "continued construction challenges" are expected to carry expenses past an earlier calculation of HK$6.5 billion over the original budget.

It remains unclear whether taxpayers or the railway operator will be paying the extra costs of the 26-kilometer Hong Kong section of the Guangzhou- Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link.

"We are again reviewing the project cost estimate and the target opening date, taking into account the continued construction challenges and recommendations from the independent board committee," MTRC chief executive Lincoln Leong Kwok- kuen said yesterday.

He refused to disclose any figures or timeframes.

The government said in August last year that it "may have a claim for general damages against MTRC" for breaching its obligations, after the railway operator announced the budget would total HK$71.52 billon, and that the opening would be delayed to the end of 2017.

Back in 2009, the expected budget was HK$65 billion.

About HK$4.6 billion in project management fees has already been paid to the MTRC by the government, according to the firm's results statement. The two sides have yet to negotiate whether to increase or decrease the fees, it said.

As of the end of last year, the project was 66 percent completed, MTRC said.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 08:48 AM   #732
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We can expect further delays to the expected opening.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 04:30 PM   #733
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I don't think building the entire section underground was the best idea.
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I don't think building the entire section underground was the best idea.
So the delay is due to the need to tunnel not the station?
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Old March 18th, 2015, 04:05 AM   #735
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I don't think building the entire section underground was the best idea.
With the hilly terrain was there really an over land option that would allow for 200km/h operation?
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With the hilly terrain was there really an over land option that would allow for 200km/h operation?
They can still run on the ground along west Kowloon, parallel to the West Rail or Airport Express. That would already save a lot of tunneling beneath the densely-built city in Tai Kok Tsui and Tsuen Wan.
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Was building the line over water to contour the coast practical?
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Old March 18th, 2015, 09:23 AM   #738
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I don't think so... The area is heavily built up. Another concern is the fact that the route will go through many historical areas of HK with ancient (and weak) foundations.

Ensuring that the TBMs do not disturb the foundations of these heritage buildings is one of the main reasons why the tunnels are being delayed.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #739
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Highways chief apologizes for rail-delay fiasco
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Wednesday, March 25, 2015

Director of Highways Peter Lau Ka-keung yesterday apologized to the public for confusion over the two-year delay to the high-speed railway project to Guangzhou.

Lau was questioned by a select committee set up by the Legislative Council to investigate the progress of the HK$67 billion project. He admitted his department could have done a better job in communicating the details about the project.

"If the Highways Department was more open and transparent, these problems could have been solved. Because of this, I would like to express my apologies to the public," Lau said.

Pan-democratic lawmaker Gary Fan Kwok-wai said an independent consultant's study in 2013 had already found the project would be delayed by 11 months, and doubted whether the department had cooperated with the MTR Corp to reduce the delay.

"According to the independent review panel, in July 2013, two months after the media exposed the delay, it was estimated that the completion date would be postponed by 11 months," Fan said.

"That means the media reports are correct. How come the government decided to hide the facts and did not disclose the delay to the public?"

Lau said although the consultant's report showed the project was behind schedule, it did not mean it would definitely be delayed. He said when the report was released in 2013, the MTRC still had nearly 2 years to complete the project.
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Breakthrough in Hong Kong ERL tunnel
Thursday, April 02, 2015



CONSTRUCTION of the delayed 26km Hong Kong section of the Guangzhou - Shenzhen - Hong Kong Express Rail Link (ERL) reached a milestone at the beginning of March with the breakthrough of the Ngau Tam Mei – Tai Kong Po tunnel

Drill-and-blast excavation began in November 2011 in the 2.6km tunnel, which will carry the line beneath Kai Kung Leung in the New Territories.

The breakthrough marks the completion of the 12.9km of drill-and-blast tunnel excavation work required for the project

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