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Old May 11th, 2015, 02:50 PM   #781
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Your words, although using a large font, don't really say much.

Also, I can not read Chinese.

Could you please translate and elaborate?

I have indeed translated it in my quote. The headlines actually read "2017...Not A Chance!"

It didn't say much, but it said it all.

How frustrating to see taxpayers' money is wasted this way.

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Old May 11th, 2015, 03:25 PM   #782
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I agree the project is mismanaged.


But that doesn't change the fact that this connection is very much needed and will be very popular.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #783
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I applaud PRC for building their outstanding HSR network, but whether to support this depends on two factors: how much would a ticket cost?, how useful would it be?
I love travelling by train, but a train is useless without a good destination.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 07:52 PM   #784
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A destination is often what you make it.

" No journey is too long with good company"
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Old May 12th, 2015, 08:06 PM   #785
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Old May 16th, 2015, 05:38 PM   #786
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Repeated project cost overruns demand oversight
Lau Ping Cheung sees the need for an independent cost control authority
13 May 2015
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When construction of the high-speed rail link to Guangzhou began in 2010, the cost of the 26km project was estimated at HK$65 billion - a per-kilometre cost already far higher than that of the remaining 116km of express rail link on the mainland.

It didn't help when news of project delays and cost overruns, pushing the estimate to a whopping HK$71.5 billion, broke last year with no prior warning. That led to the resignation of MTR Corporation chief executive Jay Walder and his project director, who were accused of covering up the setback.

With the project's cost recently rumoured to be even higher, at somewhere around HK$90 billion, we can't help but wonder: "What is going on?"

Lawmaker Michael Tien Puk-sun, a former chairman of the Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation, was quick to attempt to nail down the party responsible for the mounting costs: should the MTR Corp bear the outstanding cost or the government? But Tien has his focus wrong: whichever party is responsible, taxpayers will end up footing the bill, given that the government owns some 76 per cent of MTR's shares.

The focus should have been on what caused the overrun, and whether the cost control mechanism is effective, impartial, transparent and accountable, given that most, if not all, of the rail link will be paid for with public money.

Back in the 1990s, I alerted the government and KCRC as to the inferiority of the infrastructure cost control model compared with the building cost control model, to no avail. In Hong Kong, we have seen many times how there is a much higher chance of cost overruns in infrastructure projects, in comparison to building works.

For instance, it was recently revealed that the Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau bridge will also blow its budget. The government cited increased labour costs as the main culprit but what the public may not know is that infrastructure projects tend to be more equipment-, material- and management-intensive than labour-intensive.

And, in any case, with past experience and data on infrastructure projects, contingency plans should have been built in, creating a buffer for potential overshoots.

There is reason why it doesn't happen. In building projects, the architect is responsible for the design, the clerk of works for supervision, and an independent cost control consultant is hired to decide whether the contractor's cost claims are valid. However, in infrastructure projects, the engineering consultant assumes conflicting roles as the one (and only) person who designs, supervises, and decides whether to agree to the contractor's claim, as well as how much and when to pay.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 11:14 PM   #787
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^Can't PRC pay for it? That country has savings to pay for several HSR networks!
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Old May 17th, 2015, 02:22 PM   #788
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^Can't PRC pay for it? That country has savings to pay for several HSR networks!
The Hong Kong section is locally-funded and locally-managed. I doubt Beijing wants to be the backstop to all construction/budget/operational issues.
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Old May 18th, 2015, 09:19 AM   #789
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I agree the project is mismanaged.


But that doesn't change the fact that this connection is very much needed and will be very popular.
I agree that a new dedicated rail link is needed but not in the way that is being built. The current rail link is using the tracks of domestic train service that constrains its frequency and also disrupts the domestic train service, which is already very busy.


Given the legal constraint that it is impossible to carry out mainland China's passport and customs clearance in Hong Kong territory, there will be very limited destinations for PRC-bound HSR. The best way is therefore to provide a frequent shuttle to Shenzhen HSR Station from where passengers get their PRC's passport and customs clearance, and tap into the vast network of HSR in PRC.

So I opine that a simple shuttle train service on dedicated tracks running at 130 - 150 km/hour between West Kowloon and Shenzhen HSR Station and possibly Guangzhou at a frequency of 10-15 mins would be suffice. A journey time of 25 mins from HKG to SZ (same as Airport Express) would be appealing.

The scale and complexity of the terminus can therefore be significantly reduced. Being not HSR, it can possibly run on elevated tracks in suburbs section; again much much cheaper to build and operate. The money saved could possibly enough to build another station in the middle, thus increasing the catchment of patrons.

This is much much better than having a direct HSR which will have limited destinations.
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Well, I don't think the line should have been designed as a shuttle service to SZ where passengers need to clear immigration across the border to continue their journey. They probably need some time to work out the logistics on both sides of the border.

Does the current Hung Hom service clear immigration in the mainland?
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Old May 18th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #791
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Well, I don't think the line should have been designed as a shuttle service to SZ where passengers need to clear immigration across the border to continue their journey. They probably need some time to work out the logistics on both sides of the border.

Does the current Hung Hom service clear immigration in the mainland?
The current service from Hung Hom station (Kowloon) to Guangdong Province, calling at Zhaoqing (1x daily), Foshan (1x daily), Guangzhou East (12x daily), and Changping (10x daily) requires passengers to clear Chinese customs and immigration formalities before exiting the stations on the PRC side of the border.
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Old May 19th, 2015, 03:01 PM   #792
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Well, I don't think the line should have been designed as a shuttle service to SZ where passengers need to clear immigration across the border to continue their journey. They probably need some time to work out the logistics on both sides of the border.

Does the current Hung Hom service clear immigration in the mainland?
Just wonder what sort of logistics, if you can give a hint....?

I do think if there will be limited destinations for HSR, why not just provide an super efficient train shuttle to SZ and Guangzhou such that passengers can have a better choice of destinations. After all the proposed HSR in Hong Kong section will just be operating at less than 200 km/hr.

The current through-train service requires passport/customs clearance to be done in Hong Kong and mainlaind as well.
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Old May 19th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #793
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In one word " Face"

They wanted China's largest underground HSR station along with WKCD China's best cultural and arts district.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 06:52 PM   #794
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Work disputes putting brakes on high-speed link
20 May 2015
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Some contractors working on the delayed and overbudget high-speed railway link to Guangzhou are not cooperating with the MTR Corporation, an executive of the rail giant said yesterday.

MTR projects director Philco Wong Nai-keung was speaking at a meeting of the Legislative Council’s railway subcommittee when officials from the company and government were grilled about the multibillion-dollar project. The opening of the project, originally scheduled for this year, has been pushed back to the end of 2017.

Wong said because of the two-year delay, contractors had to adjust construction methods and this would incur additional costs. They had to conform to adjusted designs and other MTR-required changes.

“There is a mechanism in the contract to determine both sides’ responsibilities. But most of the time was spent arguing,” he said. “The MTR is doing its best to ask contractors to prioritise the progress and at the same time settle disputes. But, of course, some are cooperating and some are not.”

Wong was responding to engineering sector legislator Lo Wai-kwok, who asked if disputes over contractors’ claims had undermined coordination between MTR Corp and contractors. There were 664 unresolved claims at the end of March, amounting to HK$14.6 billion.

Undersecretary for Transport Yau Shing-mu said speculation the final cost would reach HK$90 billion was “counterproductive” to efforts to better control the budget with contractors. The corporation will submit a report to the government before the end of June with cost estimates and a target completion date.

Transport authorities had said earlier it was “highly doubtful” the link could meet the 2017 target, as progress on the West Kowloon terminus and tunnelling works near the border were behind schedule. Simon Tang, the MTR’s general manager on the project, said it was critical the target was met.
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 07:24 PM   #795
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End date for rail link seen on right lines
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The completion date for the Hong Kong section of the Express Rail Link could have been met by MTR Corp Ltd, according to a former director of highways.

Wai Chi-sing, addressing the Legislative Council select committee inquiry, described the original completion date of August 2015 as "reasonable."

He went on: "According to the information we had back then, we saw that the timetable was justified and reasonable ... the timetable was to complete all the lines in 2015-2016. We are talking about four horizontal lines and four vertical lines."

Wai served as highways director from April 2008 to June 2010 and oversaw the planning stages of the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link.

"That is why we had this broad brush completion target of 2015-2016, and then planned a regional express line on that basis."

When he left his post in 2010, Wai said the progress of the project stood at 1.3 percent, which was below its expected 1.7 percent.

The link has now been delayed until 2017 with the cost running overbudget by at least HK$6.5 billion at HK$71.5 billion.

Wai said the original completion date of June 2015 was pushed back to August 2015, as funding was delayed by six weeks.
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Old June 6th, 2015, 09:50 AM   #796
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There seems to be a legal argument occurring now about how to have the mainland officials work in Hong Kong. It's not as simple as in the case of the Eurostar as Hong Kong isn't an autonomous nation.
There was an SCMP article on it somewhere if someone could drag it up..
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Old June 6th, 2015, 10:51 AM   #797
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good now they can build it faster and it will be opreating in three to four years i think
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Old June 21st, 2015, 05:37 PM   #798
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