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Old June 29th, 2015, 06:55 PM   #801
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MTRCL told to pay link price
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Monday, June 29, 2015

MTR Corp Ltd should shoulder the cost-overrun if the budget of the already delayed and overbudget high-speed rail link to Guangzhou exceeds HK$80 billion, Legislative Council transport panel chairman Michael Tien Puk-sun said.

In a 30-minute TV interview yesterday, Tien said he heard that the original estimate for the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link in 2008-10 was HK$80 billion but the government talked it down to HK$65 billion.

Tien said if true, this will help lawmakers understand the full picture in deciding how much extra money should be approved for the project.

"It was not an overbudget, it's a difference in estimation of the cost based on different assumptions [from government and the MTRCL]," he said.

Tien, who in April estimated the project may eventually cost HK$90 billion, explained the reason for big difference between government and MTRCL estimates.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:26 PM   #802
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2017? Not a chance.

My guess is opening not until 2019.

Stupid design + unrealistic planning !
The latest update by MTRCL, the project manager of the HSR project, indicated that opening date will be 3Q 2018. Probably 2019 will be the next target......
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Old June 30th, 2015, 06:13 PM   #803
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Old July 1st, 2015, 03:58 AM   #804
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It was reported in all major local media yesterday that:

1. The Hong Kong Government had received a report from MTRC on completion schedule and construction cost.

2. The opening date was further deferred to 3Q 2018 (original 2015), and cost estimate was further increased to 85.3 billion (original 65 billion HK$).

3. The new "excuse" MTRC used this time was the complexity of the structure.

4. The Government stated that the injection of public money to the project had to be capped, and opined that MTRC was liable for the cost overrun.

5. Some media described the project as a "black hole".

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Old July 1st, 2015, 07:57 AM   #805
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Could be right about the black hole reference.
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Old July 4th, 2015, 01:59 PM   #806
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Old July 8th, 2015, 07:28 AM   #807
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There seems to be a legal argument occurring now about how to have the mainland officials work in Hong Kong. It's not as simple as in the case of the Eurostar as Hong Kong isn't an autonomous nation.
There was an SCMP article on it somewhere if someone could drag it up..
In principal it could be as simple as US immigration officials at Canadian airports, allowing flights to US cities without immigration facilities.

However, this applied in Hong Kong will create a loophole allowing politically sensitive people (i.e. civil servants, foreign spies, state-owned company execs, North Korean defectors, etc) to leave the mainland.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 08:49 AM   #808
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High-speed rail link to mainland China too idealistic from the start, Hong Kong transport minister admits
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Tuesday, 07 July 2015

The original estimate on the progress of Hong Kong’s cross-border high-speed rail link to mainland China in 2009 had been too idealistic, Secretary for Transport and Housing Professor Anthony Cheung Bing-leung admitted today.

The MTR Corporation reported last Tuesday that the project cost had ballooned by about 30 per cent, to HK$85.3 billion, and that new challenges had further delayed its opening to 2018.

The opening of the project, originally scheduled for this year, had earlier been pushed back to the end of 2017.

Cheung said today he believed the entrustment agreement for the project was drawn up with good intentions by planners based on a “comparatively idealistic” estimate on the project’s progress.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 07:09 PM   #809
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CIMIC to build China-Hong Kong border crossing
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CIMIC Group subsidiary Leighton Asia has won the contract from the Government of the Hong Kong to build a boundary control point on the border between Hong Kong and China for AU$ 1.2 billion (US$ 890 million).

The Liantang/Heung Yuen Wai Boundary Control Point buildings will include the terminus station for the high-speed rail link into China from Hong Kong, being built as part of the Hong Kong‐Zhuhai‐Macao bridge. The project comprises construction of a passenger terminal building and nine other main ancillary buildings including fire and police bases, vehicle examination buildings and a number of bridge structures. Work is scheduled to begin later this year with completeion in 2018.

CIMIC Group executive chairman and CEO Marcelino Fernández Verdes said, “The Boundary Control Point project is a key element in the government’s plans to forge closer economic integration with Mainland China and, once operational, it will generate significant benefits for Hong Kong.

“We look forward to delivering a project of such strategic importance to the Hong Kong government.”
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Old July 16th, 2015, 07:22 PM   #810
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^ That article is incorrect. The border crossing has nothing to do with this rail link. Immigration facilities are slated to be performed at the West Kowloon terminus. The Macau / Zhuhai bridge will go nowhere near it as well.
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Old July 17th, 2015, 08:43 PM   #811
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Old August 5th, 2015, 04:59 AM   #812
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Unions rail at bid to use foreign workers
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Monday, August 03, 2015

A contractor working on the Guangzhou- Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link has submitted an application to hire 48 foreign workers, in a move that has outraged local construction unions.

A source informed the Construction Site Workers General Union that the Labour Advisory Board would accept the application for 48 bar benders to work on the project's West Kowloon Terminus for two years.

Union chairman Chan Pat-kan demanded the board turn down the proposal. He said the source is a former frontline construction worker who now works in an administrative position.

According to the Construction Industry Council, there are about 4,800 registered bar benders in Hong Kong, who it says could easily fill the places.

Chan said the contractor dismissed more than 100 local bar benders about two to three months ago. He did not reveal the name of the contractor.

Chan said the contractor may earn more by importing foreign workers, and the union is worried that imported workers may not be as skillful.
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Foreign in this instance means mainland Chinese? Hard to imagine that it would be worth importing workers from somewhere else...
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Foreign in this instance means mainland Chinese? Hard to imagine that it would be worth importing workers from somewhere else...
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Old September 16th, 2015, 10:03 AM   #815
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Vote threat against Express Rail budget
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Wednesday, September 16, 2015



New People's Party lawmaker Michael Tien Puk-sun threatened to vote against any additional budget for the delayed Guangzhou- Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link if the rail operator does not agree to pay at least HK$5.3 billion of the projected HK$20.3 billion overrun.

Secretary for Transport and Housing Anthony Cheung Bing-leung said the government has completed a preliminary scrutiny of the report submitted by MTR Corp Ltd on the extra cost and is now in talks with the company over who should foot the bill.

But Tien told RTHK yesterday taxpayers should not be asked to pay since the cost overrun is largely the result of mismanagement.

Tien said he met Frederick Ma Si-hang, who will replace Raymond Ch'ien Kuo-fung as MTRCL Board chairman next year, and Ma had told him about a written contract that favors the rail operator should it be unable to pay the extra costs.

According to the latest MTRCL projection, the rail link will cost HK$85.3 billion, some HK$20.3 billion more than its previous estimate.

Tien said MTRCL must pay HK$5.3 billion more to cover the overrun with the rest to be paid by the government.
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 03:32 AM   #816
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Rail link walkout fear if billions do run out
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Wednesday, September 23, 2015

Several contractors are considering walking away from the Guangzhou- Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link if funding dries up early next year, a lawmaker claims.

Michael Tien Puk-sun, chairman of the Legislative Council's transport panel, said he is aware that some contractors are "doing calculations" to see if they should drop out.

Tien said MTR Corp Limited has been using contingency funding to settle contracted projects, but he expects cash to get very tight at the beginning of next year.

"Unfinished contracts are worth HK$6.5 billion, but only about HK$3 billion remains in the MTRCL reserve," he told a radio program yesterday.

Expenditure on the construction of railway tunnels should be HK$22.4 billion, according to contracts. But MTRCL has already spent HK$25.7 billion after dipping into its reserves.

If ongoing tunnel projects, the West Kowloon terminal and electronic and mechanical works are all added up, MTRCL must pay HK$6.5 billion to settle the outstanding sum and take over the rail. But with the reduced reserve, all the money would be spent in just a few months.
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MTR has more money than Scrooge McDuck... Why is this a problem?
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Old October 10th, 2015, 09:23 AM   #819
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Sep 18, 2015 4:45pm
Can we trust our environmental impact assessment system?
Hong Kong Economic Journal Excerpt

Last month, a wildlife conservation organization discovered a massive amount of mud leaking out from a fish pond near Tam Kon Chau Road at the Mai Po Nature Reserve.

Two days later, the entire bank of the pond collapsed.

MTR Corp. Ltd. (00066.HK) later admitted the collapse could have been caused by ongoing underground drilling work related to the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link.

The company said it had called a halt to the drilling and would carry out a further investigation.

However, MTRC has yet to publicize the details of what caused the incident and the remedial measures it is planning to take.

The pond is located by the Ramsar wetlands, a designated wildlife refuge protected under the international Ramsar Convention since 1995.

Since construction of the high-speed railway line began in 2011, several civilian groups have found that unusual air bubbles have continued to emerge from the bottom of the fish pond, suspecting that could have been caused by the underground drilling work.

Environmental experts said the mud that came out from the pond recently could contaminate other fish ponds and reed beds of high ecological value nearby, destroying the natural habitat of many endangered fishes and migratory birds, and the damage could be irreversible.

An environmental impact assessment (EIA) is instrumental in environmental conservation.

It aims to identify any potential threat to the natural environment before a construction project begins.

An EIA proposes solutions or alternatives such as changing the location, route or start date of the construction project based on the “precautionary principle”, so as to minimize its impact on the environment.

Guidelines issued by the Town Planning Board require all building projects inside any wetland reserve to pass an EIA before they begin.

The EIA report commissioned by MTRC in early 2000 concluded that the digging of tunnels might pose a potential threat to the water level of the fish ponds.

But it concluded that since MTRC would be using the latest drilling technology, the overall environmental impact of the construction work on the Mai Po Nature Reserve would be “minimal”.

However, the recent incident has raised public concern about the true environmental ramifications of the railway line project and called into question the accuracy and impartiality of the EIA report.

Did the consultant hired by the MTR deliberately downplay the environmental consequences of the construction project to make it easier for the company to get the green light from the government?
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