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Old February 8th, 2016, 08:13 PM   #901
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Old February 9th, 2016, 08:47 AM   #902
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It's going to be great station once it's finished hopefully the WKCD and HSR station will be intergrated seemlessly into the surrounding area.

Any word on possible pedistrian access between this area and Tsim Sha Shui area via elevated walkway or pedistrian subway? I would imagine that there would have to be such works in the pipleline.
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Old February 16th, 2016, 04:56 PM   #903
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Who should take responsibility for rail project budget overruns?
5 February 2016
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On Monday, 99.83 percent of MTR Corp. (00066.HK) minority shareholders voted in favor of a plan to continue construction of Hong Kong's high-speed rail link.

MTR chairman Frederick Ma Si-hang declared it a big victory and urged legislators to approve additional funds for the project.

Under the plan, the government will pay for HK$19.6 billion (US$2.52 billion) in cost overruns related to the express rail project.

The amount will later be repaid by the MTRC through a special dividend.

The MTR will have to foot the bill for any overrun in costs above HK$84.4 billion.

In fact, the MTR, as the project manager, should take responsibility for delays and cost overruns.

Meanwhile, the company has kept raising MTR fares although it has reaped fat profits year after year.

And the MTR has put minority shareholders at risk, as it decided to borrow money to pay the special dividend.

Anthony Cheung Bing-leung, the secretary for transport and housing, stressed that the deadline for approving additional funding for the rail link arrives at the end of this month.

He warned that Hong Kong would pay a heavy price if the project fails to be completed.

Lawmaker Wong Kwok-hing of the Federation of Trade Unions said that if the project is halted owing to lack of funding, as many as 5,800 construction workers will become jobless immediately. A total of up to 7,700 workers could be affected if the project is suspended, he said.

Since late last year, government officials have repeatedly emphasized that the rail link project should not be suspended.

Apart from becoming an international joke, the government would lose the initial investment of HK$65 billion and need to spend a further HK$10 billion to clean up the mess.

All these remarks reminded me of a recent scandal at a local home renovation company.

Customs officials arrested three board members and employees of the firm under the Trade Descriptions Ordinance for unfair trade practices.

The complainant, a homeowner, reportedly agreed to pay the company HK$170,000 to renovate his flat.

However, the complainant was eventually charged a total of HK$790,000 after the firm expanded the project without gaining his approval in advance.

The case is similar to the high-speed railway project, the budget of which has been increased from HK$65 billion to HK$84.4 billion.

The home renovation company made misleading and murky quotes for the cost of the project.

In the case of the high-speed railway project, the government said the additional funding was necessary because of insufficient exploration and careless budgeting.

The issue of co-location of Hong Kong and mainland immigration officials is still pending.

Former transport minister Cheng Yu-wah guaranteed that there won’t be any cost overrun.

MTR has made various excuses, including blaming heavy rain and hard rock for delays in the project.

As a result, taxpayers in Hong Kong have become an ATM for the rail link.
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 02:56 PM   #904
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Suspension looms for rail link next week
Feb. 23, 2016
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Construction of the Express Rail Link may be suspended next week if additional funding is not approved, said a senior transport official.

Transport and Housing Undersecretary Yau Shing-mu told a Legislative Council railways subcommittee meeting yesterday that 77.3 percent of the SAR section of the Guangzhou-Shenzhen- Hong Kong Express Rail Link was already completed as of last month.

"We are now at the most critical moment of this project. We need Legco approval for additional funding," he said, referring to an application for HK$19.6 billion that the government is seeking.

Filibustering by pan-democrats saw the application fail to pass in Saturday's Finance Committee meeting. The committee meets again on Saturday.

MTR Corp Limited has warned that the project may ground to a halt without new money before next month.

"This is very urgent as we are very close to the deadline," Yau said.

He warned that the government needs to consider suspending the project at the end of this week or a week later as expenditure approaches HK$60 billion.

MTRCL has estimated that by next month, the total cost of the project would reach HK$60.2 billion.
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Old February 24th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #905
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Cops on standby for link debates
Feb. 24, 2016

The Legislative Council Commission has decided to allow its secretariat to invite police to stand by inside the legislature's demonstration area when the Finance Committee discusses the Express Rail Link budget overrun.

A similar arrangement is already in place for the ongoing debates on the controversial copyright amendment bill.

Legco president Jasper Tsang Yok-sing insisted the legislature's independence will not be affected, and that it would be irresponsible not to ensure public safety around the council complex.

"[If] a situation appears in the surrounding area of Legco, which will endanger the users of the complex, according to our judgment, the staff of the secretariat is not capable to handle the case," Tsang said.

"It will be a breach of duty if we do not call the police to handle it and it does not involve any matter of independence of the legislature."

He said people with strong views are expected to gather when lawmakers scrutinize sensitive issues and the secretariat will decide when to ask for police assistance.

The commission also recommended that guests of lawmakers be treated like others and undergo security checks before entering the building, though that is still subject to discussions among lawmakers.
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Old February 24th, 2016, 07:47 PM   #907
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It's not like they can just leave it unfinished can they?
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It's not like they can just leave it unfinished can they?
...you'd be surprised. Look at the 2nd Ave Subway, and the previous decades of work.
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Old February 24th, 2016, 11:09 PM   #909
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Just ask Brussels what happened to their pre-metro
Or Cincinnati. Or some other Belgian city whose name escapes me...
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Old February 25th, 2016, 07:07 AM   #911
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WE are not talking about a metro station here, this significant of this project is of national importance.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 11:55 AM   #912
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Accountability is a core value in Hong Kong. National importance is not an excuse to blow the budget with no limits in sight.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 12:10 PM   #913
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HK may think they are "sticking it" to the mainland, but in reality they are just shooting themselves in the foot. In the future this might mark the start of HK's eventual decline to a 2nd-tier Chinese city.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 12:45 PM   #914
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Hong Kong never really needed it in the first place. Outside of Canton, most Hong Kongers fly to Chinese destinations. The fast train goes to GZ South which is inconvenient and out of the way when compared to GZ East.

An expensive shuttle to SZ and GZ is not what's keeping Hong Kong relevant in China. The fact that businesses can exist there relatively protected by a strong justice system and IP laws means that for many, Hong Kong is still the best place to do business from in China.

If anything such a gesture would gently remind many across the world that Hong Kong isn't just another Chinese city just yet, and is able to assert its laws and values when needed.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 04:22 PM   #915
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The link is needed but not at all costs. We can then reach much of southern China in a reasonable train ride instead of dealing with the hassles of flying, and delays through Chinese airspace.

Hong Kong's advantages are solid, as we see in the recent market intervention in China showing just how backwards they still are. But that being said, every infrastructure link is vital for us to exert our influence. We're not afraid of becoming 2nd tier. The chances of China imploding on itself are higher in the first place.

Good that Hong Kong is wealthy and the government is debt free. Many other developed cities are drooling over how much $ we're pouring into this white elephant. But that doesn't mean the taxpayers can turn a blind eye to good governance and financial prudence.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 05:31 PM   #916
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2047 is coming up soon and if the HSR link is not completed by then, HK will be a backwater compared to what will be gleaming coastal cities such as Shenzhen, Shanghai, and Binhai, Tianjin.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 06:49 PM   #917
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Hong Kong never really needed it in the first place. Outside of Canton, most Hong Kongers fly to Chinese destinations. The fast train goes to GZ South which is inconvenient and out of the way when compared to GZ East.
... and that´s a problem for Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Dongguan, too.
What is being done to improve the high speed connections of Guangzhou and Guangzhou East?
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Old February 26th, 2016, 10:18 AM   #918
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Hong Kong never really needed it in the first place. Outside of Canton, most Hong Kongers fly to Chinese destinations. The fast train goes to GZ South which is inconvenient and out of the way when compared to GZ East.

An expensive shuttle to SZ and GZ is not what's keeping Hong Kong relevant in China. The fact that businesses can exist there relatively protected by a strong justice system and IP laws means that for many, Hong Kong is still the best place to do business from in China.

If anything such a gesture would gently remind many across the world that Hong Kong isn't just another Chinese city just yet, and is able to assert its laws and values when needed.
This post just about sums up the problem.

On face value you would be thinking that the link only carried people one way

Other than that had no practical use

I agree with the accountability argument so stop having debates about accountability and start making people accountable.

AS for a link at all costs, it's more about finishing the link before it gets to that stage.

As for core values that's for the average Joe the people that make decisions because they have power to do so are generally speaking a group of people that vote fish, back slap and hoob knob pounching on any opportunity to bend the greater good to serve their own personal agenda. For people claiming to have superior values how do we explain the lack of transparency around this project, the massive cost overuns and the like. It's either incompetence or corruption.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 04:02 PM   #919
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I had an idea. Consolidate all air traffic in the Pearl Delta region into one airport, located somewhat remotely on the mainland. The existing airports can be redeveloped. Then the link can serve the airport. Hong Kong has its own terminal at the airport, with its own customs, and trains run sealed from there into Kowloon.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 06:39 PM   #920
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Closing HKG and moving it out of the territory, no matter how you put it, would not go well with the residents, I think.
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