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Old March 15th, 2016, 10:47 AM   #941
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Despite this, there is still only room for a single Third Runway for Shenzhen Airport.
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Three runways alone could not handle the air movements for a mega PRD airport.
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It is fair to almost think of Shenzhen Bao'an Airport (almost 40 million passengers per year) as a purely domestic airport, with routes to many regional lower tier cities, only a few international routes serve here. While Hong Kong (almost 70 million passengers per year) is mostly an international airport with only a relative few domestic flights to major Chinese mainland cities.
Um? Why?
HKG has a space for max 3 runways. SZX has space for max 3 runways.
Why should SZX be purely domestic with much fewer passengers?
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Old March 15th, 2016, 05:57 PM   #942
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Not sure why people are talking about airports suddenly in this railway thread. Keep in mind that the cities in the PRD don't intend to connect airports to the HSR network, unlike Hongqiao. Railways and airlines serve different purposes, and the cities in the delta are large enough to support their own direct air connections, with Hong Kong and Guangzhou leading the way for international choice.
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Old March 15th, 2016, 08:56 PM   #943
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Not sure why people are talking about airports suddenly in this railway thread.
I think that this argument was derailed at post 914.
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Keep in mind that the cities in the PRD don't intend to connect airports to the HSR network, unlike Hongqiao. Railways and airlines serve different purposes,
That was the initial argument in post 914: that airlines compete with HSR for long-distance trips.
About that Shenzhen-Maoming tunnel under Pearl River: when does it open? Where does it emerge on West Bank? And how does the Shenzhen-Maoming HSR connect to Shenzhen-Hong Kong HSR?
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Old March 16th, 2016, 04:17 PM   #944
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Tiresome theatrics in the Legislative Council is a turn-off for the Hong Kong public
16 March 2016
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After weeks of filibustering, the HK$19.6 billion extra funding for the controversial high-speed railway project was abruptly put to a vote and declared approved amid chaos last Friday. While officials can breathe a sigh of relief that the railway, which will now cost HK$ 84.4 billion to complete, will not be derailed by ballooning costs, the outcome has upset the pan-democrats further and set the stage for more confrontations.

The clashes at the Legislative Council Finance Committee meeting were regrettable. Despite the chaos, the pro-establishment camp maintained that the funding was passed according to procedures. But the pan-democrats argued that the vote was invalid, referring to the fact that some pro-government lawmakers had raised their hands for both the "yes" and "no" vote. The pan-democrats vowed to overturn the result with a judicial review.

That chaos in Legco has become the norm rather than an exception is worrying. The tension between the two camps seems to have intensified after the Friday's drama, as reflected in another meeting the following day. The pan-democrats seized the presiding bench, after the chairman refused to invalidate the vote on the railway funding.
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Old March 18th, 2016, 04:04 PM   #945
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'Law needed' for co-location plan
Mar 17, 2016

Basic Law expert Albert Chen Hung-yee says legislation is necessary if mainland immigration and customs officers are to operate at the local terminus of the Guangzhou- Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link.

Chen's view is contrary to that of Peking University law professor Rao Geping who said it is not against the Basic Law for mainland officials to enforce laws at a proposed co- located checkpoint in West Kowloon as long as the mainland and Hong Kong can reach an agreement, endorsed by the National People's Congress Standing Committee.

Chen, a Basic Law Committee member and law professor at the University of Hong Kong, said the co-location plan will require a law, not just an agreement.

He said the required legislation could either be done by the SAR or central government, but mainland laws introduced for the arrangement must first be listed in Annex III of the Basic Law.

Chen said the arrangement relating to the Shenzhen Bay Port can be used as reference, but there is a difference between the port and the link.

He said Hong Kong laws are fully enforced in the Hong Kong Port Area of Shenzhen Bay. But it is not suggested that national laws be enforced fully at the West Kowloon terminus.
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Ruling in two weeks on bid to overturn rail vote
22 March 2016
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The chairman of the Legislative Council's Finance Committee has promised to decide within two weeks whether to approve a bid by pan-democrat lawmakers to overturn the committee's previous approval of extra funding for the high-speed rail link.

Chan Kin-por warned yesterday that such a move was unprecedented and there was a risk, if approval was given, of making a mockery of a majority vote.

During a committee meeting on March 11, a vote was taken abruptly to approve the HK$19.6 billion additional funding for the project while pan-democrats had left their seats to stage a protest.

Chan Kam-lam, of the pro-government Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, who acted as chairman at the meeting, came under heavy criticism from pan-democrats, who said the vote was void.

The Labour Party wrote to Chan Kin-por last week, asking to invoke a house rule in a bid to overturn the funding approval.

Rule 32 of the Legislative Council rules of procedure allows a motion to be moved with the permission of the president to rescind a decision on a specific question that has been previously been approved. This also applies to Finance Committee meetings.

"That is unprecedented. I can't be too careful and may need to study how overseas parliaments handle such cases," said Chan Kin-por. "If we set a precedent this time, it is possible that those unhappy with a vote result will make use of the rule to try to overturn it."

He added that it was too early to speculate on the legal and financial consequences if the previous approval was overturned.
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 08:39 AM   #948
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About that Shenzhen-Maoming tunnel under Pearl River: when does it open? Where does it emerge on West Bank? And how does the Shenzhen-Maoming HSR connect to Shenzhen-Hong Kong HSR?
It is a 200/250 kph railway from Shenzhen North to Maoming East, providing a route from HK and Shenzhen to western Guangdong and Hainan Island, so could be a potentially big tourist route. It is due to be finished in 2018, but parts of the line are already in use, along the western end and the central section which is a branchline of the the Guangzhou-Zhuhai Intercity Railway. How much this new railway is used for through high-speed services or just fast regional commuter trains is yet to be determined.

Shenzhen Airport North is a scheduled planned for this route, built north of the current new terminal building with an automatic people mover connecting to the terminal. However any new terminal expansion is likely to be built over the station area in the future.
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 10:12 AM   #949
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It is a 200/250 kph railway from Shenzhen North to Maoming East, providing a route from HK and Shenzhen to western Guangdong and Hainan Island, so could be a potentially big tourist route. It is due to be finished in 2018, but parts of the line are already in use, along the western end and the central section which is a branchline of the the Guangzhou-Zhuhai Intercity Railway. How much this new railway is used for through high-speed services or just fast regional commuter trains is yet to be determined.
Meaning that Beijing-Hainan high speed trains would continue through Guangzhou South on the existing Guangzhou-Zhuhai HSR?
Also, Shenzhen North would then be a junction of 4 high speed railways, right? Hong Kong-Xiamen would involve reversing at Shenzhen North, but would Hong Kong-Maoming mean running straight ahead through Shenzhen North?
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Meaning that Beijing-Hainan high speed trains would continue through Guangzhou South on the existing Guangzhou-Zhuhai HSR?
Also, Shenzhen North would then be a junction of 4 high speed railways, right? Hong Kong-Xiamen would involve reversing at Shenzhen North, but would Hong Kong-Maoming mean running straight ahead through Shenzhen North?
To be honest, I am not sure of the exact alignment. I am only going off reported desired outcomes. So it may require a change of direction or transfer to a separate train at Shenzhen North for travelers from Futian or West Kowloon Terminus. There is a strong desire for a through east-west Guangdong coastal service too but I do not know if that will be possible either. However that desire would require a junction north of Shenzhen North allowing for smoother HK direct services too.
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Old April 25th, 2016, 06:11 PM   #952
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Legco debate to tackle concerns over military use of rail link
10 March 2016
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Public concern on whether Hong Kong’s express rail link will be deployed for military use is likely to be a focus of discussion at the Legislative Council when the finance committee starts a two-day debate on the government's request for additional funding for the project on Friday.

In a post on the government's social media page on Tuesday, the Transport and Housing Bureau dismissed claims that the project is being built to serve any military purpose, stressing that it is intended for civilian use alone.

Speculation over the reasons behind the construction of the cross-border rail link intensified after local media quoted a report from the People’s Liberation Army Daily (PLA Daily) as saying that the project will be used for both civilian and military purposes.

On top of mobilizing soldiers, the high-speed railway would be used to transport tanks, missiles or any other heavy weapons in case of war, according to the mainland report.

Soldiers with light weaponry could gain quick access to any city within the railway network, the PLA Daily said.

A drill with a small team of soldiers traveling on the railway was conducted successfully in Nanjing as early as in May 2012.

Since last month, local critics have aired suspicions that the rail network, ostensibly designed to facilitate cross-border travel, could serve military purposes.

Neo-democrat District Councillor Roy Tam recently uploaded a video on social media, pointing out that the location of a rail depot in the Hong Kong section of the rail network is only a few minutes’ walk from the PLA camp in Shek Kong.

He suspects the rail link could be used to help facilitate the deployment of PLA troops to Hong Kong when needed.
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Legco debate to tackle concerns over military use of rail link
10 March 2016
Hong Kong Economic Journal Excerpt

Public concern on whether Hong Kong’s express rail link will be deployed for military use is likely to be a focus of discussion at the Legislative Council when the finance committee starts a two-day debate on the government's request for additional funding for the project on Friday.

In a post on the government's social media page on Tuesday, the Transport and Housing Bureau dismissed claims that the project is being built to serve any military purpose, stressing that it is intended for civilian use alone.

Speculation over the reasons behind the construction of the cross-border rail link intensified after local media quoted a report from the People’s Liberation Army Daily (PLA Daily) as saying that the project will be used for both civilian and military purposes.

On top of mobilizing soldiers, the high-speed railway would be used to transport tanks, missiles or any other heavy weapons in case of war, according to the mainland report.

Soldiers with light weaponry could gain quick access to any city within the railway network, the PLA Daily said.

A drill with a small team of soldiers traveling on the railway was conducted successfully in Nanjing as early as in May 2012.

Since last month, local critics have aired suspicions that the rail network, ostensibly designed to facilitate cross-border travel, could serve military purposes.

Neo-democrat District Councillor Roy Tam recently uploaded a video on social media, pointing out that the location of a rail depot in the Hong Kong section of the rail network is only a few minutes’ walk from the PLA camp in Shek Kong.

He suspects the rail link could be used to help facilitate the deployment of PLA troops to Hong Kong when needed.
This is terribly alarmist and totally unfounded. For a start, the HSR does not have the same loading gauge, let alone the facilities for unloading tanks and other military vehicles. With airports and seaports available, these would be used in any imaginary incursion. This same argument has been used for years about the Channel Tunnel and has proven in practice to be totally impractical in NATO exercises.
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Old April 26th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #954
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I can't access Page 49.

This thread seems to be broken.

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I would say that it is due to posts being deleted, but the airport posts are still at the top of the page.
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Probably some spam that got cleaned up. We're still on page 48.
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Probably some spam that got cleaned up. We're still on page 48.
Whatever it is, its very frustrating. I keep getting told that I have new posts to look at here, when I actually don't.
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Probably some spam that got cleaned up. We're still on page 48.
Okay, so this counts as a new post. But aside from that.
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Down tools: Hong Kong workers on delayed cross-border railway strike over unpaid wages
100 carpenters claim they are owed about HK$7 million; men go back on job after main contractor agrees to pay them on Thursday
May 23, 2016

Work at a site of the much-delayed cross-border high-speed railway project was briefly held up on Monday as about 100 carpenters went on strike over roughly HK$7 million in unpaid wages.

They said they had not been paid since last month and that repeated demands to the subcontractor were ignored.

Supported by the Confederation of Trade Unions, they refused to work and staged a sit-in outside the site in Hoi Wang Road, Yau Ma Tei, waving placards that read “All Sweat No Pay”.

One affected worker, Mr Man, claimed he was owed more than HK$40,000.

“We are fed up. The subcontractor had promised to pay us last week, but they ate their words,” he said.

The protest was largely peaceful and the strike was called off in the afternoon after a deal was struck between the workers, unionists, the main contractor Gammon-Leighton Joint Venture and subcontractor Temmex Engineering. The main contractor agreed to pay the workers on Thursday.

The work affected by the strike is under a HK$2.88 billion project to build a section of the tunnel approaching the future railway terminus in West Kowloon. Gammon-Leighton won the contract in 2010 and it had originally been scheduled for completion last year.

The daily rate of a formwork carpenter can be up to HK$2,000.

Fredrik Fan Cheung-fung, of the confederation, said: “We heard that the subcontractor has some financial problem so it can’t afford to pay the workers in time. We believe the main contractor should monitor its subcontractors closer. As the main contractor, it can’t contract out its responsibility.”
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