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Old May 18th, 2009, 04:30 AM   #81
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For those majority who knows nothing about Chinese in this forum, when facing a Chinese-only article in front of him/her, what do you expect him/her to ask? He/She cannot read a single word about the article and knows nothing about it.

I suppose you post an article about Hong Kong matters in an International forum is to introduce such Hong Kong matters to people around the World right? If you are not writing something that they understand, what is the point to post articles here? Why don't you post them on Hong Kong forums to let Hong Kong people know only?

Because I don't understand Chinese, and that I take 15 seconds to copy and past those chinese articles in google translate and that I get a general meaning of the article. Because it's relevant material in this forum especially on a project that is a Chinese project.

I would understand your objections on non-chinese related constructions.
Anyways if you don't want to read those chinese articles, just don't you'll just have to scroll a little bit more that's all, no harm
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Taken today under a rainy sky

Hello all,

Here are some pictures I took from the huge construction site of the Shenzhen Futian underground train station.

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I took also those shots today from the big boards that are all around the construction sites.

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高鐵全速建 動用9鑽挖機創紀錄
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為將香港變成珠三角「一小時生活圈」及免被邊緣化,港府正全速興建廣深港高速鐵路香港段(下稱高鐵),但工程落後於內地路段,為配合中央加快進度,港府將動用最多約15億元、破天荒用9部大型鑽挖機,挖掘約20公里長的行車隧道,相信可創造世界紀錄,成為動用最多鑽挖機興建的鐵路。

港府前日公布,西港島線造價大幅升逾7成至約154億元,政府注資額達83%,主要原因是全球推動基建抗海嘯,令物料及人力成本增加之餘,通脹亦使工程費大升。

廣深港高鐵香港段 造價料630億

據悉由港府全資興建的高鐵,亦因上述問題令造價大升,或由原來估計約395億元增至約630億元,升幅達6成。鐵路由港鐵(00066)負責興建及營運,預計今年底動工、2014至2015年通車。

高鐵香港段全長約26公里,大部分屬地底行車隧道,由尖沙咀出發途經大角咀、大帽山,再經米埔前往內地,日後由西九直達廣州,只需約48分鐘;但內地段於2011至2012年陸續通車,即香港進度落後內地2至3年。

鐵路行車隧道除用鑽挖機外,位於大帽山一段的隧道會以爆破方式興建,部分路段亦會使用明挖隨填的方式建造,車廠及緊急救援站則位於石崗菜園村一帶。

據可靠消息透露,港府將配合中央全速及加快高鐵香港段的建設,會破天荒動用9部大型鑽挖機興建高鐵的行車隧道,希望施工時間縮短。

縮施工時間配合中央 盼5年後通車

綜合消息透露,9部鑽挖機由承建商供應,一般向德國及法國公司購買或租用,但多數會是購買,每部平均價約為1.5億元,預料需斥資共約14億至15億元。現時計劃2010年底至2011年初開始鑽挖,若情況順利,每部每月可鑽挖約200米,預計2013年完成鑽挖工程,盼2014至2015年通車。

消息又指鐵路全長約26公里、來回即52公里,但需使用鑽挖機的挖掘隧道約有20公里長,高峰期會用7至8部同時鑽挖,需使用路段主要為市區、八鄉及米埔。廣深港高鐵屬全球第4長鐵路隧道,消息人士強調,動用9部鑽挖機主要希望縮短施工時間,將落成時間和內地的距離減少。
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I don't like that jianti kanji used by mainlanders AKA "Simplified Chinese" as opposed to "Traditional Chinese" living in Taiwan and HK

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China: Hyder Consulting wins Express Rail Link contract

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MTR has awarded Hyder Consulting a contract covering the detailed design of lineside electrical and mechanical services for the HK$39·5bn Express Rail Link in Hong Kong.

Starting at an underground terminus in West Kowloon, the link will run underground for 26 km to the boundary with mainland China at Huanggang. The tunnel will include an emergency rescue station and stabling sidings at Shek Kong in the New Territories. Opening is planned for 2015.

The mainland section of the route will then run 116 km north through Shenzhen to Guangzhou. Average speeds of 200 km/h will offer a 48 min fastest journey between Kowloon and Guangz hou.
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Old June 7th, 2009, 08:31 AM   #88
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Hong Kong Guangzhou Express Railway

Guangdong to Construct Nine Railways by 2020

GUANGZHOU, July 12 Asia Pulse - South Chinas Guangdong Province will invest 120 billion yuan US14.4 billion to construct nine railways and inter-city railroads with a total length of 2,164 kilometers by 2020, according to the Guangdong Provincial Railway Construction Investment Group Co., Ltd.

The new railways include the Wuhan-Guangzhou special passenger railway, the Guangzhou-Zhuhai railroad, the Guangzhou-Shenzhen railroad, the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong special passenger railway, the Xiamen-Shenzhen railroad Guangdong section and the Guangzhou-Maoming double-track railway.

They are scheduled for completion by 2020.

After the completion, the rail length of the province will reach about 4,000 kilometers.

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Old June 8th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #89
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高鐵網絡大動脈 拉動內需新戰略; 港成「網中人」 搭經濟順風車
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香港經濟日報

  預計於今年底動工的廣深港高速鐵路香港段,不僅使香港搭上國家高速鐵路戰略的順風車,更重要的是,將使香港進入國家高速鐵路網絡,不至被「隔離」。

  去年8月,中國第一條自主興建的京津城際高速鐵路通車,拉開了中國高鐵時代的序幕。為了應對金融危機,鐵路建設更成為拉動內需重中之重。事實上,在今明兩年,中央已批出的鐵路投資達2萬億(人民幣),而且未來還會增加。去年底國務院定下的規劃,到2020年,中國的鐵路里程達12萬公里以上,將成為中國交通的大動脈。

  鐵道部最新統計顯示,今年首四月,鐵路建設完成投資總額1,032.3億元(人民幣,下同),較去年同期增170.5%,創歷史同期最高水平。鐵路行業已成為擴內需保增長的火車頭。

  中共中央政策研究室副主任鄭新立指出,10年前亞洲金融危機,內地擴大內需抓住了機遇,建成了高速公路網,為過去幾年經濟高速發展奠定基礎;此次全球金融海嘯為鐵道建設提供機遇,加快中國鐵道網的建設,屆時將改善目前春運一票難求的局面。

年內創600萬職 GDP提高1.5%

  以鐵路建設拉動內需,效果是顯而易見的。據專家分析,鐵路不同於其他純粹的基礎設施投資,無論是建設之中還是日後運營,可衍生出更大量的經濟增長機會。按照2009年鐵路完成工程投資6,000億元的安排,根據定額水平測算,可以創造600萬個就業崗位,消費鋼材2,000萬噸(含鋼軌)、水泥1.2億噸,可以直接帶來全國GDP增幅提高1.5%的拉動效應。

海嘯加速建設 解決運輸樽頸

  事實上,建設高速鐵路除了拉動經濟外,也是國家未來交通發展的重點。改革開放後,中國鐵路基礎設施與世界先進水平有較大差距,與經濟增長和客貨運輸需求相比仍滯後,總體上的運載能力不足仍是長期制約經濟發展的樽頸。目前,美國的鐵路里數是27萬公里,但中國只有7萬多公里。中國人口眾多、內陸深廣,解決大規模人口流動問題,最安全、最快捷、最經濟、最環保、最可靠的交通方式是高速鐵路。

  國家信息中心宏觀經濟室副主任牛○指,鐵路發展遠遠滯後於經濟發展,公路無法撑起運輸,造成經濟運行中出現樽頸,加上區域分割、市場封鎖,也造成不少重型卡車嚴重超載壓壞高速公路的現象。在運力緊張下,石油、煤炭、糧食等部門,總要跑鐵道部門希望給予方便,解決運輸問題。

  牛○指此次金融危機將大力加速鐵路網的建設,鐵路在十一五和十二五期間,將得到非常顯著的發展。未來鐵路、高速公路、水路等各種運輸將得到進一步的互補。

四縱四橫高鐵 貫穿三頭馬車

  根據新調整的《中國鐵路中長期發展規劃》,到2020年,為滿足快速增長的旅客運輸需求,建立省會城市及大中城市間的快速客運通道,規劃四縱四橫鐵路快速客運通道,以及三個城際快速客運系統。建設快速客運專線1.6萬公里以上。

  未來中國經濟將愈來愈向各大城市區聚集,環渤海地區、長三角、珠三角這三大城市群,將成為中國具有巨大影響力的經濟區。建設高鐵網絡,不但能使這些城市群加快融合,更能令這「三頭馬車」的能量輻射至其他地區,全面改變中國經濟的運作模式與版圖。

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高速鐵路 兩大技術

  內地目前高速鐵路技術主要有兩種模式:高速輪軌技術及磁懸浮技術。

  高速輪軌透過直線化、軌距標準化等升級,使列車營運速度達到每小時200或250公里以上的鐵路技術。磁懸浮則是靠磁的吸力和排斥力來推動列車,行走時不需接觸地面,最高速度可以達每小時500公里以上。

  高速輪軌造價較低,與現有鐵路網絡可以兼容,因此應用面更廣。中國在高速輪軌技術上亦比較成熟,去年通車的京津城際鐵路,時速已超過350公里。磁懸浮列車有速度快、耗能低、噪音小等優點,但造價比高速輪軌高出兩倍以上。

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中國鐵路規劃

  根據去年國務院公布的《中國中長期鐵路網規劃》,到2020年,為滿足快速增長的旅客運輸需求,建立省會城市,及大中城市間的快速客運通道,規劃「四縱四橫」鐵路快速客運通道,以及三個城際快速客運系統。建設客運專線1.6萬公里以上,客車速度達到每小時200公里或以上。
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I think hongkong will be the last city(I mean in china top 200 cities)connected by HSR(no earlier than 2015)
and 200km/h? too slow IMO
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Hong Kongers like to fly to mainland cities these days. I can imagine HSR can bring places as far as Wuhan within reach, but with a very accessible airport and wealthier incomes, flying is a far more feasible choice for cities beyond Guangdong province.
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Where do they not like to fly? Do they fly to Guangzhou (105 minutes by old rail)?
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I can imagine HSR can bring places as far as Wuhan within reach
I think it would still be 5 hours. Inconvenient duration for a train trip. Wastes a lot of time by day - 1...2 hours in air by plane would be faster even with airport delays at both ends - and too short for a good night´s sleep.

What would be the best time for an overnight train, and how far from Hong Kong would it be by HSR?

There are now Beijing-Hangzhou sleeper trains. 10 hours Beijing-Shanghai, but the trip does not end there, and reaches Hangzhou in 11,5 hours.

There already is a HSR Nanjing-Hefei-Wuhan. This December, Guangzhou-Wuhan shall open. What shall the travel time be in December Hong Kong-Shanghai, with old rails Hong Kong-Guangzhou and Nanjing-Shanghai, through Wuhan?
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Where do they not like to fly? Do they fly to Guangzhou (105 minutes by old rail)?


I think it would still be 5 hours. Inconvenient duration for a train trip. Wastes a lot of time by day - 1...2 hours in air by plane would be faster even with airport delays at both ends - and too short for a good night´s sleep.

What would be the best time for an overnight train, and how far from Hong Kong would it be by HSR?

There are now Beijing-Hangzhou sleeper trains. 10 hours Beijing-Shanghai, but the trip does not end there, and reaches Hangzhou in 11,5 hours.

There already is a HSR Nanjing-Hefei-Wuhan. This December, Guangzhou-Wuhan shall open. What shall the travel time be in December Hong Kong-Shanghai, with old rails Hong Kong-Guangzhou and Nanjing-Shanghai, through Wuhan?
China Southern flies HKG-CAN actually. But that route can likely be HSR-viable due to the short distance.

There is a sleeper train from Hong Kong to Beijing actually, but it's not as popular as the plane due to the lengthy travel time.

Based on the 200 km/h HSR model, I doubt anywhere over 600 km can successfully compete against the airplane. Shanghai is long out of that range.
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There is a sleeper train from Hong Kong to Beijing actually, but it's not as popular as the plane due to the lengthy travel time.
Yes, but it takes near 24 hours. T98 leaves 15:15, and arrives 14:51. Too long to sleep. A passenger could fly to Beijing after it leaves in the afternoon, or fly there in the morning and arrive before the train.

Hong Kong-Shanghai is 20 hours: T100 leaves 15:15 and arrives 11:15. It is not so comfortable to beat in the morning, but it is still the same waste of time in the evening.
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Based on the 200 km/h HSR model, I doubt anywhere over 600 km can successfully compete against the airplane. Shanghai is long out of that range.
3 hours? But this is day trains.

What is the trip time range where sleeper train is faster than airplane plus a hotel night (plus proper supper and breakfast)?
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the railway stretch from harbin to guangzhou is 100% 350km/h HSR(U/C);
there is a test run on Wuhan to Guangzhou( 350km/h )section this month
if you take a Sleeper EMU to BeiJing in the future,its would only take 10hrs!
and train is much safer than plane
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From all the documentaries and reading material I've been through, they've all had a unanimous agreement that air travel is far safer than other means. Where do you get your conclusion from - is there data I'm missing?
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From all the documentaries and reading material I've been through, they've all had a unanimous agreement that air travel is far safer than other means. Where do you get your conclusion from - is there data I'm missing?
Maybe a matter of picking statistics.

In 45 years, Shinkansen has had just one fatality - crushed between authomatic doors. Whereas Japanese domestic planes have had several horrid crashes.

How do the reading materials prove that trains are less safe than planes?
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Maybe a matter of picking statistics.

In 45 years, Shinkansen has had just one fatality - crushed between authomatic doors. Whereas Japanese domestic planes have had several horrid crashes.

How do the reading materials prove that trains are less safe than planes?
The numbers I look at are global, which is a far more holistic approach than looking at individual markets. They all point to the fact that air travel is extremely safe, although there are parts of the world whose skies are more dangerous, like Africa.
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The numbers I look at are global, which is a far more holistic approach than looking at individual markets. They all point to the fact that air travel is extremely safe, although there are parts of the world whose skies are more dangerous, like Africa.
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Thats really odd. Say just because road safety in europe pushes up the statistics of road safety globally relative to something else does not mean you apply it to say INDIA .You will be in for a real shock . The whole point of statistics and analysing is to best understand what would happen in teh given situtation .

Let's get real this whole global view and holistic approach is nothing more than you simply coming across one news article that says airways still the safest way to travel after the recent crash during your endless task of copy pasting newspaper articles (which you have been doing religiously for the last 6 years now ) .or at best you saw couple of morons discussing this on your evening news . Ofcourse you don't have to be a geek now to search airways safer than railways and link me . Holistic approach here would mean analysing how different components that make up airways safety in China in relation to railways safety not just so called global view that you have just barfed and are going to the extend of arguing and debating instead of leaving it :loser::
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HUH!!

Thats really odd. Say just because road safety in europe pushes up the statistics of road safety globally relative to something else does not mean you apply it to say INDIA .You will be in for a real shock . The whole point of statistics and analysing is to best understand what would happen in teh given situtation .

Let's get real this whole global view and holistic approach is nothing more than you simply coming across one news article that says airways still the safest way to travel after the recent crash during your endless task of copy pasting newspaper articles (which you have been doing religiously for the last 6 years now ) .or at best you saw couple of morons discussing this on your evening news . Ofcourse you don't have to be a geek now to search airways safer than railways and link me . Holistic approach here would mean analysing how different components that make up airways safety in China in relation to railways safety not just so called global view that you have just barfed and are going to the extend of arguing and debating instead of leaving it :loser::
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Statistics can be used to manipulate results and to distort reality. To apply the Japanese accident rate onto the rest of the world is misleading, and incorrect, and has nothing to do with the accident rate or safety standards in China.

Perhaps you need to do more reading in the newspapers and articles to realize such an insane and ignorant comparison. We live in an interconnected world. Planes do fly out of Japan, by the way, just as other countries' planes fly in to affect the safety ratios.

Whether it is because you don't know, or whether it is because you choose not to know, the fact is, air travel is far safer than other modes on the ground.
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