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Old July 8th, 2017, 12:43 PM   #1121
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Why is there actually an immigration checkpoint? Isn't Hong Kong part of China?
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Old July 8th, 2017, 02:17 PM   #1122
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Will there be any loop tracks for the terminal?
Having a set of loop tracks in the New Terminal can help turn trains faster. For example:



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Old July 8th, 2017, 04:20 PM   #1123
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The terminal will be underground, which would make a loop MUCH more expensive.

Also, with MU sets, the ability to terminal stations to change ends is much greater. Witness the new South Ferry station in Manhattan.
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Old July 9th, 2017, 05:18 PM   #1124
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Why is there actually an immigration checkpoint? Isn't Hong Kong part of China?
While Hong Kong is indeed part of China, it is a Special Administrative Region, with its own legal system, currency, taxes, Olympic team etc. From a customs perspective, they might as well be separate countries...

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Old July 10th, 2017, 05:03 AM   #1125
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Also, with MU sets, the ability to terminal stations to change ends is much greater. Witness the new South Ferry station in Manhattan.
South Ferry is only a single-track loop, that's why it has such limited capacity.

A more apt comparison would be the WTC PATH station, which is also a single-track loop but expands to six tracks within the station itself.
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Old July 10th, 2017, 06:02 AM   #1126
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South Ferry is only a single-track loop, that's why it has such limited capacity.

A more apt comparison would be the WTC PATH station, which is also a single-track loop but expands to six tracks within the station itself.
Touche.

The matter of additional underground construction driving up the cost remains, though.
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Old July 10th, 2017, 05:31 PM   #1127
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3 HSR trains arrived in HK to start testing
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Old July 10th, 2017, 09:39 PM   #1128
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Having a set of loop tracks in the New Terminal can help turn trains faster. For example:

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The dwell time at the HK station will likely be ~5 minutes regardless.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 05:18 PM   #1129
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No idea how joint immigration checkpoint for China rail link can fit with Hong Kong law, ex-Legco president says
Jasper Tsang says he is waiting for the government to come up with solutions to thorny issue, which threatens to derail benefits of major infrastructure project
July 13, 2017
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A former president of Hong Kong’s legislature says he “cannot think of how” a controversial plan for joint law enforcement with the mainland at the Hong Kong terminal for an express rail link could fit with the city’s mini-constitution.

Jasper Tsang Yok-sing, also a founding chairman of Hong Kong’s largest pro-government party, the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, said he was waiting for the government to enlighten him on possible solutions.

His comments came just days after Hong Kong’s new leader Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor warned that the benefits of the railway to Guangzhou “would be undermined” without immigration checkpoints run by both Hong Kong and mainland authorities at the West Kowloon station.

The Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link, due to open next year, will pose the first major challenge for Lam’s administration, facing as it does major opposition from pan-democratic lawmakers in the Legislative Council. The new government plans to table a bill outlining the law enforcement plans after Legco’s summer break.

Under Article 18 of Hong Kong’s mini-constitution, the Basic Law, mainland laws can only be applied in Hong Kong if they are related to defence or foreign affairs, or are “matters outside the limits of the city’s autonomy”. Such laws must be listed in Annex III of the Basic Law, the article states.

In an interview with former Democratic Party chairwoman Emily Lau Wai-hing on Thursday, Tsang was asked how “co-location” of checkpoints could be allowed under Hong Kong law.

“I can only say I cannot think of [an answer] ... but at least Lam and her principal officials have said clearly that they will find a proposal that fits the Basic Law,” said Tsang, who oversaw the passing of countless pieces of legislation as Legco president between 2008 and last year.

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Old July 17th, 2017, 04:19 PM   #1130
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Lam issues warning on high-speed link
July 9, 2017
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The design of Hong Kong’s high-speed train was unveiled on Sunday, as the city’s leader Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor warned the benefits of an express link to the mainland “will be hugely undermined” without the controversial joint law enforcement at its West Kowloon terminus.

Lam touched on the sensitive topic of the co-location of immigration checkpoints as she pledged that the arrangement, to be rolled out soon, would comply with the “one country, two systems” principle and the Basic Law, the mini-constitution guaranteeing the city’s high degree of autonomy.

Secretary for Transport and Housing Frank Chan Fan is due to disclose details of the co-location arrangements on Tuesday. Lam’s administration is also expected to mount a publicity campaign for the cross-border railway this week.

The chief executive issued the warning after inspecting an express train at Shek Kong, the first one delivered to Hong Kong by land on Thursday. Two trains were previously shipped to Hong Kong from Qingdao,in Shandong province, where they were manufactured, as the railway tracks were not ready at that time.

TR projects director Dr Philco Wong Nai-keung told Lam that “with orange, red and white waves painted on both sides of the carriages, the train would look like a ‘flying dragon’ when travelling at high-speed,” in a reference to the official symbol used to promote Hong Kong.
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Old July 22nd, 2017, 07:28 PM   #1131
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Lease deal likely to end stand-off over joint immigration checkpoint for rail link from Hong Kong to mainland China
Plan for mainland law enforcers to help man joint checkpoint set to be announced next week
July 21, 2017
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Hong Kong is expected to lease space inside the future high-speed rail terminus at West Kowloon to mainland Chinese authorities to implement a plan for a joint immigration checkpoint, under a deal to be announced as early as next week.

The proposal will likely see mainland laws enforced on Hong Kong soil within the leased area, where mainland border control facilities will be installed, according to two lawmakers familiar with the arrangement.

Mainland officers would man the facilities and Hong Kong law enforcers would only venture into the area in the case of an emergency such as an accident or fire.

Legislator Michael Tien Puk-sun, a local deputy to the National People’s Congress, the nation’s top legislative body, said he was aware of the arrangement and did not expect significant resistance from the public to the plan.

“It is the easiest way to implement co-location [of immigration checkpoints],” Tien said. “But it will be important for the NPC Standing Committee to make a decision to declare that such an arrangement does not breach Hong Kong law. This should expel public fears or any possible legal trouble in the future.”

Fellow pro-government lawmaker Priscilla Leung Mei-fun said she had also learned of the arrangement and hailed it as “the best deal” for travellers.

The Executive Council, an advisory body to Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor, is scheduled to be briefed on the details on Monday, and the arrangement will be announced as early as the following day after the formal approval of the council is given at its regular meeting.

“I can only tell you that it will be [ready] pretty soon,” Lam said on Thursday, declining to comment on the reported arrangement. “We will probably have to start the public consultation and discussions, as well as the local legislation work, very soon.”

A bill on setting up a mainland port area inside the rail station is expected to be tabled to Hong Kong’s legislature in October, with the aim of having it passed by early next year.

The bill will provide for the application of mainland laws to the designated area, as well as specify the arrangements that will allow mainland customs and immigration facilities to be co-located with those for Hong Kong at the terminal.
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Old July 25th, 2017, 05:51 PM   #1132
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Chinese officials to enforce mainland laws in Hong Kong train station
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HONG KONG (Reuters) - Hong Kong announced on Tuesday a controversial plan to allow mainland officials to enforce Chinese laws inside a Hong Kong train station, an immigration set-up critics say will encroach on the city's autonomy and endanger existing freedoms.

Hong Kong's Basic Law mini-constitution states that with a few exceptions Chinese national laws are not applicable in the city and no Chinese departments can interfere in its affairs.

But the local government said Mainland Port Areas inside the train station, set to open in autumn next year, will be legally regarded as being outside the territorial boundary of Hong Kong, so that articles of the Basic Law do not apply.

A former British colony, Hong Kong returned to Chinese rule in 1997 and enjoys wide-ranging freedoms not granted in mainland China and an independent judiciary under a so-called "one country, two systems" formula.

But the abduction by mainland agents of Hong Kong booksellers in 2015 who had published critical books on China, and Beijing's efforts to disqualify democratically elected opposition lawmakers in the local legislature, have rattled confidence in that arrangement.

About a quarter of the planned train station for high-speed trains linking Hong Kong to the mainland will fall under mainland Chinese jurisdiction, the government said.

These areas include two immigration halls at the West Kowloon station where Chinese officials will clear passengers' departure to and arrival from China, platform areas and even inside the train before it leaves Hong Kong.

"Startling"

Hong Kong's legal chief, Rimsky Yuen, denied the government was effectively ceding land, saying the local government had proposed the idea to maximize the railway's potential.

"The implementation of co-location arrangement is neither a directive nor an order by the Central People's Government," Yuen said, adding that it would need the consent of both governments.

The case would not set a precedent, he added, but stopped short of ruling out similar future arrangements.

The move is a "stark" and "startling" change to the "one country, two systems" model, said Simon Young, a law professor at the University of Hong Kong.

"It’s a remarkable exception ... just carving out space in the heart of Hong Kong and placing it under mainland jurisdiction, even the train carriages," he said.
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Old July 26th, 2017, 12:47 AM   #1133
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Unveiled: how the West Kowloon high-speed rail terminus in Hong Kong will work

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To catch a train at the West Kowloon terminus under the arrangement for joint immigration and customs facilities, travellers will have to pass through three gates and two port areas straddling four levels to get to the platform. Here’s what the trip will look like.

From the ground-floor concourse, passengers go down one floor to the ticket hall on level B1. After tickets are bought, they will then be ushered through the entry gates and down two levels to the B3 departure area, where Hong Kong and mainland China’s clearance areas are located.

Departure clearance on the Hong Kong side comes first. Passengers will then immediately move to the mainland port area, where channels and counters for arrival clearance are located.

Once both clearance procedures are completed, they will head to a waiting area on the same floor and finally board their train at the B4 platform level.

All procedures from the mainland clearance area onwards will take place in the mainland port area, which means passengers must abide by mainland laws within that zone. This includes most of the train platform level.

Arriving at the station entails a similar process but in the opposite direction. But passengers leave the station on level B2.
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Old July 26th, 2017, 06:02 AM   #1134
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Old July 26th, 2017, 09:41 AM   #1135
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This means that the mainland police can reembark anyone, for all the usual reasons (like asking for free elections in the mainland), and this on HK soil. This is completely different from what we get in Eurostar for example, as the only thing foreign police can do is deny boarding.
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This means that the mainland police can reembark anyone, for all the usual reasons (like asking for free elections in the mainland), and this on HK soil. This is completely different from what we get in Eurostar for example, as the only thing foreign police can do is deny boarding.
By reembark you mean force arriving passengers back onto the train to the Mainland? Deny them entry into HK?
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By reembark you mean force arriving passengers back onto the train to the Mainland? Deny them entry into HK?
The schema says "Mainland departure clearance". So HK does not deny entry, it's the mainland that prevents exit. The other nice thing is "passengers must abide by mainland laws within that zone", which means the death penalty applies in this zone.
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There were questions on whether Facebook would also be blocked in that zone.
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Old July 26th, 2017, 06:39 PM   #1139
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This means that the mainland police can reembark anyone, for all the usual reasons (like asking for free elections in the mainland), and this on HK soil. This is completely different from what we get in Eurostar for example, as the only thing foreign police can do is deny boarding.
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The schema says "Mainland departure clearance". So HK does not deny entry, it's the mainland that prevents exit. The other nice thing is "passengers must abide by mainland laws within that zone", which means the death penalty applies in this zone.
A plus for most Hong Kongers.

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