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Old September 30th, 2011, 10:52 AM   #281
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Good news for the environment, rail cargo transport, mainly between Germany and Sweden, has increased by 25% since last year, and 45% since the economical height in 2007.

The bad news is, that the femern tunnel, and the upgrade of the whole south line, was mainly for cargo use, but the capacity over Øresund is reaching its maximum, there simply can't be more cargo trains between Sweden and Denmark. The before mentioned Helsingør-Helsingborg link, a tunnel in the most narrow place in the straight, along with a rail (and properly a highway) around Copenhagen directly to Ringsted, would be the most prosper option.

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Hafnia posted this image from buisness.dk in the Danish sub-forum. Red is the passengers line, the dotted line is cargo rail, and is running along the highway. I do not understand why this presentation only suggest a single cargo line, it can't be that more expensive to use the same TBM as the highway tunnel, and lay a double track in the same tube, I know that it troubles maintance, but there should be double cargo tracks!

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Old September 30th, 2011, 11:54 AM   #282
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helsingor/borg link would be awesome and its pretty str8fwd
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Old September 30th, 2011, 07:12 PM   #283
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Double tracks or even a double tunnel for cargo trains make sense, if only so you can have maintenance on one set of tracks and still have cargo going.
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 08:13 PM   #284
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Danish HSR? eh?
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 10:28 AM   #285
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Double tracks or even a double tunnel for cargo trains make sense, if only so you can have maintenance on one set of tracks and still have cargo going.
That depends. In quite a few countries both tracks of a double track railway. now have to be closed as soon as work is performed on one.

Anyway, you can do a lot with a single track. Cargo trains can be bundled, for example, have trains run one after another in one direction for two hours, and then reverse the flow. Even intensive passenger service is possible on single track if you put passing loops in the right spot.

However, what about this: Have three identical paralel bores each with a dual lane highway, and a single track embedded in the roadway. You can than have different configurations of rail and road in operation, depending on time of day, maintenance schedule and demand...
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 10:31 AM   #286
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yup, theres been a huge capacity problem on the main line towards Copenhagen, the choosen solution was to create a whole new line, with only one station, and prepared for 250 km/h between Copenhagen and Ringsted, further more is highly likely that the regional rail from Ringsted and south, would be extended to double track the whole way, and upgraded to 200 km/h at the same time!

And as i wrote in the Danish sub:
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A new proposal for the plans of extending the IC3 units lifetime. It will be quite easy to extend the existing units lifetime, but the problem is capacity. I vote for putting an extra waggon in, but there's another solution that might be way easier. The Isrealic IC3 units! The staterail of Isreal is planning to get rid of their Danish bought IC3 units, they have 46 of them, and is planning to inset doubledecker units to solve their capacity problem. They would fit into the Danish system flawless, they just have to get an upgraded computer system and removed the extremely oversized air-conditioner (compared to Danish enviroment). This would would increase our fleet by 50% as DSB have about 100 units
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Old October 4th, 2011, 07:07 AM   #287
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Second-hand stock? I think rich countries like Denmark shouldn't be embarking in this kind of lesser solutions.

It's better to work with Anslado and have the IC4 delivered instead.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 07:30 AM   #288
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Second-hand stock? I think rich countries like Denmark shouldn't be embarking in this kind of lesser solutions.
The IC3 trainsets are excellent trains. Getting a bunch of them second hand to run them another 10/15 years while you electrify the network might be a smart move.

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We've seen how well that worked...
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Old October 4th, 2011, 11:46 AM   #289
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Second-hand stock? I think rich countries like Denmark shouldn't be embarking in this kind of lesser solutions.

It's better to work with Anslado and have the IC4 delivered instead.
It's better than nothing: the IC4 has turned into a fiasco (just like the V250) and there aren't any improvements to be expected on the short term. Buying Israelian IC3's back will solve capacity problems on the short term as DSB can fight a legal battle against AnsaldoBreda. After that, DSB can focus on acquiring new (electric?) rolling stock while the nationwide ERTMS implementation (+25 kV?) is well underway.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 11:51 AM   #290
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It's better than nothing: the IC4 has turned into a fiasco (just like the V250)
The V250 order is now fine, AFAIK.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 01:05 PM   #291
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The V250 order is now fine, AFAIK.
Aren't there still huge delays to pretty much everything associated with the project?
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Old October 4th, 2011, 01:06 PM   #292
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The V250 order is now fine, AFAIK.
No its not. The trains still haven't been certified for the networks they are supposed to run on.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 04:35 PM   #293
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The V250 order is now fine, AFAIK.
It's not. Just a few months ago there were reports that the first V250 trainset would be handed over to NS Hispeed halfway through September. Today is October 4th, there has been no handover, yet there are test runs the entire month (according to ProRail.nl).

Furthermore, there still isn't a fixed date on when V250 will run to Brussels: earlier this year NS and NMBS said "december 2011", later on it became "april 2012" but now I'm hearing plenty of reports: "not earlier than july 2012".

So no, the V250 order is not fine.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 05:46 PM   #294
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The V250 order is now fine, AFAIK.
You've been saying that all the time, not just now.

Do you have stock in Ansaldo, or is this just Italian Pride talking?
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Old October 5th, 2011, 02:57 AM   #295
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You've been saying that all the time, not just now.

Do you have stock in Ansaldo, or is this just Italian Pride talking?
I don't have any Finmeccanica stock lol.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 11:15 AM   #296
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It's not. Just a few months ago there were reports that the first V250 trainset would be handed over to NS Hispeed halfway through September. Today is October 4th, there has been no handover, yet there are test runs the entire month (according to ProRail.nl).

Furthermore, there still isn't a fixed date on when V250 will run to Brussels: earlier this year NS and NMBS said "december 2011", later on it became "april 2012" but now I'm hearing plenty of reports: "not earlier than july 2012".

So no, the V250 order is not fine.
And they just missed an opportunity to just cancel the V250 order and snatch up the Railjet option ÖBB is not using in stead.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 02:58 PM   #297
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And they just missed an opportunity to just cancel the V250 order and snatch up the Railjet option ÖBB is not using in stead.
Assuming working conditions the V250 is much superior to those OBB cars.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #298
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Assuming working conditions the V250 is much superior to those OBB cars.
What do you mean with "working conditions"?

I have traveled on the Railjet. Those passenger carriages are perfectly suited for modern trains.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #299
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cd has already taken them
http://www.railjournal.com/newsflash...jets-1339.html
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Old October 6th, 2011, 12:03 AM   #300
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Legal action against that purchase, by one of their domestic manufacturers -
not sure which one, Skoda comes to mind - so the close of this sale is not
yet certain.

Anyway, as far as I know, Railjet is only suitable for 200 km/h, so not an
option for replacing Fyra sets. But otherwise, I'm sure it's far more
comfortable... I've used one a few years ago on my way to Istanbul and
they were, at that time, the best train I had ever ridden.
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